Is this a foul?

[RobbyinTN]

There is such as a think as an "over the back" but usually it is more of through the back".

As far as the play in question, after looking at it several times and pausing it at the point of play, if I had to call anything I would call a hold on the GA player as the UT player had both hands on the ball and the GA player was holding onto his arm as he was falling into him. The question you have to answer is if the UT player truly had control of the ball at the point of the potential foul. I think he did after looking at it several times but at first glance in real time I would have went with no foul.

Robby

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

There is such as a think as an "over the back" but usually it is more of through the back".

Can you show anyone in the rulebook where that is stated as any violation of the rules?

Peace

[RobbyinTN]

True, in the rule book there is no "over the back" violation but there are times a push from behind during a rebound is an "over the back"/"through the back" foul; however, I have never reported a "over the back" foul at the table

I did have a rookie U one night that called "over the back" and used some weird mechanic I had never seen before or since not only did he use the wrong mechanic I don't think he was correct but he was Lead.

[Raymond]

If you watch the replay from the court level camera at the opposite end of the court you will see Williams was actually moving backwards away from the Georgia player when grabbed the rebound.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

True, in the rule book there is no "over the back" violation but there are times a push from behind during a rebound is an "over the back"/"through the back" foul; however, I have never reported a "over the back" foul at the table

I did have a rookie U one night that called "over the back" and used some weird mechanic I had never seen before or since not only did he use the wrong mechanic I don't think he was correct but he was Lead.

Was it the Boris Karloff mechanic?

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Was it the Boris Karloff mechanic?

Yep - you got it. I told him at half time that "over the back" wasn't a valid call and his mechanic certainly wasn't in the book. I tried to explain the difference between going over teh top of someone to get the rebound without fouling and a push from behind to get to the ball. I am not sure he "got it" but at least there were no other weird mechnics that evening

[drofficial]

Actually the correct call, by rule, without a doubt would be 3 seconds. Williams enters the lane at :07 ... I know, I know, we would never call it in that situation. But still, that is clearly UGA's best argument

[stir22]

as a newer official, i have to ask...would this have been called differently if this play had occurred halfway through the first half, instead of at the end of the game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Actually the correct call, by rule, without a doubt would be 3 seconds. Williams enters the lane at :07 ... I know, I know, we would never call it in that situation. But still, that is clearly UGA's best argument

I doubt that would be called in ANY situation ANYWHERE. Only a fanboy would ever dream of arguing that one.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by drofficial

Actually the correct call, by rule, without a doubt would be 3 seconds. Williams enters the lane at :07 ... I know, I know, we would never call it in that situation. But still, that is clearly UGA's best argument

Ha ha ha. (Stop for breath.) Ha ha ha.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

True, in the rule book there is no "over the back" violation but there are times a push from behind during a rebound is an "over the back"/"through the back" foul; however, I have never reported a "over the back" foul at the table

I did have a rookie U one night that called "over the back" and used some weird mechanic I had never seen before or since not only did he use the wrong mechanic I don't think he was correct but he was Lead.

No, it's not over-the-back. When fans scream for that, they want the taller player punished for reaching into space (90% of the time). To even state "there is such a thing as over the back" is just flat out wrong; especially when talking to someone who's admittedly new to basketball rules.

[Adam]

Love the Frankenstein mechanics being displayed by the crowd.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Love the Frankenstein mechanics being displayed by the crowd.

I refer to this as the "creeping death" foul. I'll do this once a season or so when I know my partner is looking just to crack him up.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can you show anyone in the rulebook where that is stated as any violation of the rules?

Peace

I think he's contracted the truncated contraction disease that showed up here a day or so ago. I think he meant "isn't".

As for the play/call. Looked right to me. The UT rebounder was jumping away from the basket.....not likely to be a foul on him unless he grabs the player in front and drags him back too.

[just another ref]

I've said this before. Isn't the "there is no such thing as over the back" thing about to outlive his usefulness? Don't we know what they're asking for?


"Come on ref! That's a pushing foul on that guy trying to rebound over my guy who had inside position. I think he displaced him!"

Nobody complains when they yell "Walking!" That's not in the books either.