travel to end uconn villanova

[ronald]

I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ronald

I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

I haven't seen the play, so I can only give a generic comment; but sometimes on this play, close enough is good enough. What I mean is, if you have to watch the replay to know for sure the feet didn't come down simultaneously, it's probably not going to get called.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by ronald

I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

He traveled because the defender pushed him with two hands...should have been a foul that caused the travel.

[jeffpea]

i would not call a travel there...an official would be "splitting hairs" if a travel was called there....close enough to a jump stop for me there...(feet "alighted nearly simultaneously").

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

He traveled because the defender pushed him with two hands...should have been a foul that caused the travel.

+1 - I know it's the Big East, but come on.

[Jurassic Referee]

I think we have to have a poll on this re: whether it was a travel or a foul. That's the only way to be absolutely certain.

[CallMeMrRef]

Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

[APG]

The 2nd view shows the play the best. I have the player gathering and ending his dribble with his left foot on the floor. Then a step with the right and then left. By rule it would be a travel under NFHS and NCAA rules. This is a legal play under NBA rules.

After looking at the video again, I agree there should of been a foul called here and it was clearly before the travel.

[APG]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

How much ground should not be a consideration when determining travel or not. These players are bigger and longer than ever before and thus able to cover a lot of ground. Rather, just pick up the pivot foot and go from there.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

What video are you watching? The travel happened after the push. By rule, you've got a foul, and he looks to me to be trying to gather the ball (judgment call) for a shot. The travel after the foul makes the ball dead, so two shots for the shooter.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

When did the ball come to rest with the palm facing upward???

[BktBallRef]

Yes, it's probably a foul.

Yes, it's traveling.

[CallMeMrRef]

The palm is in the mid court when he goes from the bottom of the center court logo to the top of the key while carrying the ball. It is more than a hesitation dribble and other replays last night showed it more vividly. This is before he engages with the defender, who stands up in reaction to the ball coming to rest.

The 15 second video that is within this thread picks up the offensive player after his dribble at the top of the key.

[letemplay]

Looks like 4 steps to me; two small ones as he gathers, two (not simultaneous) and the shot. Also I'll agree with others there could be a push in there as he splits the defenders. Neither of these are perceptible without benefit of slow motion instant replay, so know what? Great call!

[APG]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Looks like 4 steps to me; two small ones as he gathers, two (not simultaneous) and the shot. Also I'll agree with others there could be a push in there as he splits the defenders. Neither of these are perceptible without benefit of slow motion instant replay, so know what? Great call!

I don't see how you have four steps. Not that it matters in how we officiate this play.