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ronald Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:54am

travel to end uconn villanova
 
I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:56am

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 718151)
I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

I haven't seen the play, so I can only give a generic comment; but sometimes on this play, close enough is good enough. What I mean is, if you have to watch the replay to know for sure the feet didn't come down simultaneously, it's probably not going to get called.

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 718151)
I saw replays on espn of the last shot by uconn's guard. I saw him gather the ball jump off the right foot come down on the right foot followed instantly by the left foot and alight again. Was that a travel or is that considered simultaneously landing?

Thanks, Ron

He traveled because the defender pushed him with two hands...should have been a foul that caused the travel.

jeffpea Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:37pm

i would not call a travel there...an official would be "splitting hairs" if a travel was called there....close enough to a jump stop for me there...(feet "alighted nearly simultaneously").

Rufus Tue Jan 18, 2011 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 718241)
He traveled because the defender pushed him with two hands...should have been a foul that caused the travel.

+1 - I know it's the Big East, but come on.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 18, 2011 02:12pm

I think we have to have a poll on this re: whether it was a travel or a foul. That's the only way to be absolutely certain.

CallMeMrRef Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:03pm

Travel? How about the carry?!?!
 
Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

APG Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:04pm

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The 2nd view shows the play the best. I have the player gathering and ending his dribble with his left foot on the floor. Then a step with the right and then left. By rule it would be a travel under NFHS and NCAA rules. This is a legal play under NBA rules.

After looking at the video again, I agree there should of been a foul called here and it was clearly before the travel.

APG Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef (Post 718342)
Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

How much ground should not be a consideration when determining travel or not. These players are bigger and longer than ever before and thus able to cover a lot of ground. Rather, just pick up the pivot foot and go from there.

Adam Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef (Post 718342)
Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

What video are you watching? The travel happened after the push. By rule, you've got a foul, and he looks to me to be trying to gather the ball (judgment call) for a shot. The travel after the foul makes the ball dead, so two shots for the shooter.

rockyroad Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:19pm

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Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef (Post 718342)
Offensive player carried the ball and covered a lot of ground before he gathered it to score the winning bucket. No wonder the defender put two hands on him, he dusted him with palming the ball!

Why even have points of emphasis if they are not going to be followed!

When did the ball come to rest with the palm facing upward???

BktBallRef Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:36pm

Yes, it's probably a foul.

Yes, it's traveling.

CallMeMrRef Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:40pm

The palm is in the mid court when he goes from the bottom of the center court logo to the top of the key while carrying the ball. It is more than a hesitation dribble and other replays last night showed it more vividly. This is before he engages with the defender, who stands up in reaction to the ball coming to rest.

The 15 second video that is within this thread picks up the offensive player after his dribble at the top of the key.

letemplay Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:43pm

Takin the bus
 
Looks like 4 steps to me; two small ones as he gathers, two (not simultaneous) and the shot. Also I'll agree with others there could be a push in there as he splits the defenders. Neither of these are perceptible without benefit of slow motion instant replay, so know what? Great call!

APG Tue Jan 18, 2011 03:49pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 718378)
Looks like 4 steps to me; two small ones as he gathers, two (not simultaneous) and the shot. Also I'll agree with others there could be a push in there as he splits the defenders. Neither of these are perceptible without benefit of slow motion instant replay, so know what? Great call!

I don't see how you have four steps. :confused: Not that it matters in how we officiate this play.


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