Kansas/Baylor Throw-in Question

[JohnDorian37]

First minute of game, Baylor makes basket. Ref calls back throw-in for Kansas and lets them do it again.

Is that the proper protocol there, assuming he was whistling it because the Kansas player had a foot inbounds?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

First minute of game, Baylor makes basket. Ref calls back throw-in for Kansas and lets them do it again.

Is that the proper protocol there, assuming he was whistling it because the Kansas player had a foot inbounds?

Pretty difficult to answer such a question when you're assuming.

[JohnDorian37]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Pretty difficult to answer such a question when you're assuming.

I was hoping someone else saw the play. Otherwise it's impossible for me to explain it, not knowing what the ref might have seen.

[BktBallRef]

Nope, sorry, didn't see it.

[JohnDorian37]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Nope, sorry, didn't see it.

So what is the protocol if after a made basket by Team A, Team B throws in with one foot in bounds? Give the ball to A right away? Let B try to correct it but keep the 5-second count running? Do we tell B if they're running up the court?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

So what is the protocol if after a made basket by Team A, Team B throws in with one foot in bounds? Give the ball to A right away? Let B try to correct it but keep the 5-second count running? Do we tell B if they're running up the court?

Immediate violation in NFHS. Not sure about NCAA.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Immediate violation in NFHS. Not sure about NCAA.

Immediate violation under NCAA rules also.

[GoodwillRef]

I also saw the play and was also a little confused...maybe the player wasn't out of bounds at all.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I also saw the play and was also a little confused...maybe the player wasn't out of bounds at all.

Still should have been called a violation. My guess is the official will get a nice chat with the supervisor over that one.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Still should have been called a violation. My guess is the official will get a nice chat with the supervisor over that one.

"Game management" call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

"Game management" call.

Sadly, probably right.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Having listened just yesterday to Curtis Shaw's conference call from December, "game management" calls in the NCAA are becoming less of a thing and may go away entirely eventually. He simply wants EVERYTHING called by the rules and threatens to take games away from officials that don't comply, even for uniform violations. Things are changing at the top, and will trickle down to all levels eventually, at least in the college level. Based on what we've seen over the years I think the philosophy will also trickle down to NFHS, but it will take a while. Overall though, I think it's a positive thing.

I saw the play last night too (Rock Chalk!) and where I was going with all of this is that I kind of doubt it was game management as was suggested earlier. I couldn't see if he was clearly OOB for the throw in or not, but I wonder if there was something going on out of frame like something on the court that they needed to stop the game momentarily to address. Just my $.02.

[referee99]

Great game. B-V, 3-person. Overtime game, under a minute, home team A1 nails a shot to go up 4 with 25 seconds left or so.

B2 with body language of disappointment and confusion picks up ball, and with foot partially on court, partially out-of-bounds passes the ball to teammate. I whistle violation.

Not a call I want to be making at the end of a great game, but I didn't see another option. The kid violated.

[Adam]

I have to admit I've let this call go; at the end of a 50 point blowout. Winning team, right behind me, started to say something when their coach shut them down. He knew why I passed. Would I pass on it now? Probably, because it's the expected route in this part of Rome.

[referee99]

big lead late, i just didn't see it.