Stopped the Game

[BillyMac]

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

Maybe so, but I generally like the way it was handled....the rules do allow the periods to be shortened by an agreement between the coaches and the Referee. They just don't permit the extra time to be added to a later period. Technically, the only legal manner to have done something similar would be to declare 1st half over (with all in agreement) and start the 2nd half normally.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maybe so, but I generally like the way it was handled....the rules do allow the periods to be shortened by an agreement between the coaches and the Referee. They just don't permit the extra time to be added to a later period. Technically, the only legal manner to have done something similar would be to declare 1st half over (with all in agreement) and start the 2nd half normally.

One could interpret at-the-time that the shortening of the periods was meant for each quarter to be reduced by the same amount, and therefore use 2-3 to add the 37s to the 2nd half.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

2-3?

2-3 covers issues that aren't covered by rule. This situation is definitely covered by rule. You allow the coach to remove the player, request a sub, the coach sends one in, you play the 37 seconds and you finish the half. THen the coach/trainer can attend to the player if need be.

There is absolutely no rule that allows you to do what you did.

I'd do it differently, myself. We'd take the halftime break there, come back and play the remaining :37 on the clock. Then I'd give them a minute and then start the second half.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd do it differently, myself. We'd take the halftime break there, come back and play the remaining :37 on the clock. Then I'd give them a minute and then start the second half.

I just really don't see the point in not finishing out the half. The was a varsity HS game. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go over real well at the state association office.

This time, it was 37 seconds. How much time is allowable the next time it happens? 1 minute? 5 minutes? Makes no sense to me.

[Adam]

I really don't see the point of doing anything beyond normal in Billy's situation? Did it take an hour to get the kid off the court or something?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I really don't see the point of doing anything beyond normal in Billy's situation? Did it take an hour to get the kid off the court or something?

Not to speak for Billy but I'm sure this is why is chose to do what he did:

..Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not to speak for Billy but I'm sure this is why is chose to do what he did:

Didn't catch the nuance there. In that case (assuming the coach needs to leave the court to tend to the player), I'd probably go with Camron's suggestion. End the first half there with approval of both coaches.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I just really don't see the point in not finishing out the half. The was a varsity HS game. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't go over real well at the state association office.

That's not something I concern myself with. With the coach being the coach and trainer, it's a reasonable solution as long as the ball is played POI and a quarter break is given after the quarter ends.

Why would the state office know, anyway? Do you think a coach will be on the phone the next morning complaining?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That's not something I concern myself with. With the coach being the coach and trainer, it's a reasonable solution as long as the ball is played POI and a quarter break is given after the quarter ends.

I guess I'm different, as our supervisor doesn't expect us to take things like this into our hands and come up with something that has no rule basis whatsoever. Sorry, I just don't see any reason to not finish the quarter. It's 37 seconds, the kid's not dying.

Why would the state office know, anyway? Do you think a coach will be on the phone the next morning complaining?

Calls are made and videos are sent to the state all the time for all kinds of reasons. The opposing coach could tell you he's fine with it and still call to ***** about it. Or he could get pissed at you later in the game and call anyway.

I just don't put myself in situations like this, where my actions aren't supported by rule.

And I'm certainly not going to try to justify it with 2-3 when the rules are very clear on what needs to happen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I guess I'm different, as our supervisor doesn't expect us to take things like this into our hands and come up with something that has no rule basis whatsoever. Sorry, I just don't see any reason to not finish the quarter. It's 37 seconds, the kid's not dying.



Calls are made and videos are sent to the state all the time for all kinds of reasons. The opposing coach could tell you he's fine with it and still call to ***** about it. Or he could get pissed at you later in the game and call anyway.

I just don't put myself in situations like this, where my actions aren't supported by rule.

And I'm certainly not going to try to justify it with 2-3 when the rules are very clear on what needs to happen.

I think it's well supported. The coach is also the athletic trainer and it's unknown how long the delay will be since the coach, himself, will have to attend to the players.

I feel I'm on solid ground if someone wants to call the state. They can go for it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

With the coach being the coach and trainer.

I apologize. I should have made myself clearer. The coach was the only adult on the bench. No trainer. If I had asked for a substitute after twenty seconds there would have been no one to coach the team for the last thirty seven seconds of the first half because the coach was tending to the injured player, asking for ice, figuring out how to make a sling, etc.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

We use this tool once a year in football.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Varsity prep school game on Saturday. With thirty seven seconds left in the first half (they play sixteen minute halves) a kid jumps to block a shot, cleaning blocks it, but in doing so dislocates his shoulder. Screaming in pain, he knows what he did, because he had had some problems with the shoulder earlier in the season, and he pops the shoulder back in to place. I immediately sound the whistle, beckon the coach, and tell the other nine players to go to their benches. Coach is both the coach, and the trainer, and is administering to the kid, planning to ice the shoulder, and put the arm in a sling. I suggest to the opposing coach that we end the half and start the second half with 16:37 on the clock. He thinks it's a good idea, so I run it by the coach of the injured player, who agrees. We start the second half ten minutes later with 16:37 on the clock, and the injured kid iced up, and properly slinged, on the bench. (NFHS 2-3)

Better, imo:

Take "half time" now.

Then, play the remaining :37 seconds on the first half (start with POI and use the horn, and the last second shot, etc.). Then "immediately" start the second half with a throw-in to the team having the arrow.