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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 04:37pm
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No matter what the video shows, the officials are not responsible for injuries, in spite of what the fans say: "Y'all are gonna let somebody get hurt out there!"
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If we are not responsible, why do we carry insurance?
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 04:42pm
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If we are not responsible, why do we carry insurance?
What about negligence? Official observes a kid with a metal splint on his finger, examines it, and mistakenly allows it. In the game the metal splint pokes out the eye of another player.
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 04:44pm
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And you know this because.....

If we are not responsible, why do we carry insurance?
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What about negligence? Official observes a kid with a metal splint on his finger, examines it, and mistakenly allows it. In the game the metal splint pokes out the eye of another player.
What law was broken?
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 04:50pm
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What law was broken?
We are talking about a CIVIL lawsuit, not a CRIMINAL one. Proof of negligence in your duties is grounds for a judgement against you.
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Old Mon Jan 17, 2011, 04:10pm
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What law was broken?

Tort law has nothing to do with criminal law. In the situation that Billy gave, the officials failed to enforce a safety rule and that caused a player to be injured. The officials could and should be found civilly liable for negligence in Billy's secnario.

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Old Mon Jan 17, 2011, 04:21pm
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Tort law has nothing to do with criminal law. In the situation that Billy gave, the officials failed to enforce a safety rule and that caused a player to be injured. The officials could and should be found civilly liable for negligence in Billy's secnario.

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Failure to enforce a safety rule in this case is subject to a very wide range of interpretation, is it not?
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Old Mon Jan 17, 2011, 06:20pm
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Tort law has nothing to do with criminal law. In the situation that Billy gave, the officials failed to enforce a safety rule and that caused a player to be injured. The officials could and should be found civilly liable for negligence in Billy's secnario.

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Failure to enforce a safety rule in this case is subject to a very wide range of interpretation, is it not?
Yeah, in a court of civil law. Which is why we need insurance and sometimes the need for counsel.

Do you think everything will be dropped just because you don't thinks it's an issue?
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Old Mon Jan 17, 2011, 07:16pm
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For those of you who are not, I would strongly encourage you to join the National Association of Sports Officials (NASO). National Association of Sports Officials

Their consultation service is a benefit that the OP'er could use here. NASO also provides legal counsel and insurance protection to members as needed.

In the past year, I have encouraged my association's membership to join and we had a near-100% sign-up rate from our 100+ member group. The cost of the NASO membership ($99) includes many other benefits, which you can read about on the website.

I am certain there are other groups/companies/associations which offer similar services, and they may be comparable or even superior. However, my experience is with NASO and I can certainly see where they could have helped the officials in this case.

From the beginning, the fear of what will happen here is probably much greater than the ultimate outcome for the officials. Having professional advice to back you through the process would certainly reduce the stress.
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Old Mon Jan 17, 2011, 04:25pm
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Tort law has nothing to do with criminal law. In the situation that Billy gave, the officials failed to enforce a safety rule and that caused a player to be injured. The officials could and should be found civilly liable for negligence in Billy's secnario.MTD, Sr.
All of you should pay close attention to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s post. His college roommate was John Jay, and my guess is that he picked up a few pointers from him.
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All of you should pay close attention to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s post. His college roommate was John Jay, and my guess is that he picked up a few pointers from him.

Billy:

I think that you and I get all of our legal advise from IAABO's Alan Goldbeger.

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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 05:19pm
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What about negligence? Official observes a kid with a metal splint on his finger, examines it, and mistakenly allows it. In the game the metal splint pokes out the eye of another player.
This could be a case against us. But it hardly applies to the OP.
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 05:31pm
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This could be a case against us. But it hardly applies to the OP.
Billy's post was in response to the question as to why we would need insurance.
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Billy's post was in response to the question as to why we would need insurance.
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 07:34pm
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Old Sun Jan 16, 2011, 08:32pm
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I don't see how whether or not the player was pushed/struck would make a difference in regards to liability of the officials unless there was video showing that officials were allowing those kinds of action to occur without being penalized the entire game.
This. Players foul each other and end up on the ground all the time. Unless the officials were negligent or put the injured player on the ground themselves, I don't know how they could be found liable in a civil suit. If that was the case, football officials would be constantly fighting lawsuits.
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