Block/Charge?

[JohnDorian37]

A1 dribbles down the court. B1 is coming towards her. Looks like there will be contact, and B1 certainly isn't set. However, A1 sticks her arm out while dribbling and initiates the contact. Both go tumbling down. Call?

[SAK]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

A1 dribbles down the court. B1 is coming towards her. Looks like there will be contact, and B1 certainly isn't set. However, A1 sticks her arm out while dribbling and initiates the contact. Both go tumbling down. Call?

What do you mean B1 isn't set. The defender does not need to be "set" if by set you mean not moving. Defender needs have established legal guarding position and cannot be moving towards A1 at the point of contact. Generally the offensive player will initiate the contact. This is why we are told to referee the defense, if the defense is legal than player control foul, if the defense is not legal block.

This is also why we make the big money.

[JohnDorian37]

Originally Posted by SAK

What do you mean B1 isn't set. The defender does not need to be "set" if by set you mean not moving. Defender needs have established legal guarding position and cannot be moving towards A1 at the point of contact. Generally the offensive player will initiate the contact. This is why we are told to referee the defense, if the defense is legal than player control foul, if the defense is not legal block.

This is also why we make the big money.

So this is a block even though the offensive player stuck out her arm and essentially pushed the defender down, since the defender didn't have LGP?

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

So this is a block even though the offensive player stuck out her arm and essentially pushed the defender down, since the defender didn't have LGP?

Please intimately familiarize yourself with 4-23 and apply it properly

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

So this is a block even though the offensive player stuck out her arm and essentially pushed the defender down, since the defender didn't have LGP?

No. The offensive player can not use their arm to knock someone out of the way in any case. If that was your only point of contact, you have PC foul (not a charge, however) regardless of LGP.

[JohnDorian37]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No. The offensive player can not use their arm to knock someone out of the way in any case. If that was your only point of contact, you have PC foul (not a charge, however) regardless of LGP.

I called it PC at the time. Seems right.

[Adam]

As Camron stated, the dribbler cannot push a defender out of the way.

However, I'm guessing the defender had LGP anyway from my experience seeing plays as you describe it. Why do you say the defender did not have LGP?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

So this is a block even though the offensive player stuck out her arm and essentially pushed the defender down, since the defender didn't have LGP?

MTD, Sr.


P.S. No, this is a pushing foul by A1 and it is a PCF.

[JohnDorian37]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. No, this is a pushing foul by A1 and it is a PCF.

Good to hear. This would bother me if it was a block. 4.7.2(d) says nothing about LGP, so I believe I made the correct call.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

4.7.2(d) says nothing about LGP, so I believe I made the correct call.

It's 4-7-2d. Dashes for rules, dots for case plays.

4-7 defines what constitutes a block and a charge. It's not suppose to say anything about LGP. LGP is defined in 4-23.

If the dribbler extends his forearn into the defender, it's a PC foul, whether the defender has LGP or not.

If the defender is moving toward the dribble and creates the contact, it's a block.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JohnDorian37

A1 dribbles down the court. B1 is coming towards her. Looks like there will be contact, and B1 certainly isn't set. However, A1 sticks her arm out while dribbling and initiates the contact. Both go tumbling down. Call?

A1 stickers her arm out is illegal, regardless on B establishing LGP or not.

PC foul all the way.

Whenever someone goes to the floor, we had better know why. In this case, it was because of A1's extended arm, not because of torso or near-torso contact between A1 and B1.