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Old Mon Jan 10, 2011, 09:58am
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Multiple Foul? Simultaneous Foul?
B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.
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False multiple foul.

Just had a very long thread on this exact play.....
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B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.
You have to decide what happened first, then penalize in the order they occurred.

If B fouls A twice, and the situation warrants, enforce both!

I had this at camp years ago:

A1 started his habitual motion. B2 removes A2 from standing while in a rebounding position. That's my whistle. B1 then fouls the shooter. Whistled by my P.
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B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.
Zooch, a multiple foul occurs when two players foul the SAME opponentn ot different opponents. That one missing attribute makes this a false multiple foul.

A simultaneous foul occurs when both teams foul.
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False Multiple Foul ???
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B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus.
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False multiple foul.
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You have to decide what happened first, then penalize in the order they occurred.
How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?
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So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?
who cares, pick one and have them shoot with the lanes clear and then have the next one shoot with the lanes occupied.
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Old Mon Jan 10, 2011, 06:42pm
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How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?
Sigh.....

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How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?
If you pick one no one is going to care. You really want to give two separate fouls to two different players? Simplify the game.
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If you pick one no one is going to care. You really want to give two separate fouls to two different players? Simplify the game.
Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?
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Old Mon Jan 10, 2011, 07:52pm
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Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?
What does that have to do with calling a multiple foul?

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So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?
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If you pick one no one is going to care.
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Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?
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What does that have to do with calling a multiple foul?
Maybe the coach would care who you picked to shoot first. But maybe I'm wrong. These multiple foul threads are giving me a headache.
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