Multiple Foul? Simultaneous Foul?

Zoochy

B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.

Jurassic Referee

False multiple foul.

Just had a very long thread on this exact play.....

JugglingReferee

Zoochy wrote
B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.

You have to decide what happened first, then penalize in the order they occurred.

If B fouls A twice, and the situation warrants, enforce both!

I had this at camp years ago:

A1 started his habitual motion. B2 removes A2 from standing while in a rebounding position. That's my whistle. B1 then fouls the shooter. Whistled by my P.

BktBallRef

Zoochy wrote
B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus?
Don't worry guys, I will never allow this to happen in my game. I am only enforcing 1 foul.

Zooch, a multiple foul occurs when two players foul the SAME opponentn ot different opponents. That one missing attribute makes this a false multiple foul.

A simultaneous foul occurs when both teams foul.

BillyMac

Zoochy wrote
B1 fouls A1 and at the very same time B2 fouls A2. Team A is in the bonus.

Jurassic Referee wrote
False multiple foul.

JugglingReferee wrote
You have to decide what happened first, then penalize in the order they occurred.

How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?

deecee

BillyMac wrote
So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

who cares, pick one and have them shoot with the lanes clear and then have the next one shoot with the lanes occupied.

Jurassic Referee

BillyMac wrote
How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?

Sigh.....

http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/60384-administering-false-multiple.html

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
How can you decide which happened first? Zoochy was very clear, "at the very same time". He didn't say at approximately the same time. He said, "at the very same time".

So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

Thank God Zoochy stated that Team A was already in the bonus. What if these were the sixth, and seventh fouls, of the half?

If you pick one no one is going to care. You really want to give two separate fouls to two different players? Simplify the game.

BillyMac

JRutledge wrote
If you pick one no one is going to care. You really want to give two separate fouls to two different players? Simplify the game.

Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?

What does that have to do with calling a multiple foul?

Peace

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
So, with these fouls happening at the "very same time", who shoots first, A1, or A2?

JRutledge wrote
If you pick one no one is going to care.

BillyMac wrote
Wouldn't the coach want his better foul shooter to shoot last, thus taking away some chance of the other team getting a rebound?

JRutledge wrote
What does that have to do with calling a multiple foul?

Maybe the coach would care who you picked to shoot first. But maybe I'm wrong. These multiple foul threads are giving me a headache.