Rule 4-22 (Goaltending)

[bainsey]

In theory, is it possible for goaltending to be an offensive violation? I'm not talking about basket interference. Rule 4-22 clearly says it happens when a player meets the criteria, not specifying whether it's an offensive or defensive player (free throws notwithstanding).

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

In theory, is it possible for goaltending to be an offensive violation? I'm not talking about basket interference. Rule 4-22 clearly says it happens when a player meets the criteria, not specifying whether it's an offensive or defensive player (free throws notwithstanding).

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

Try looking under the penalties.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Try looking under the penalties.

9-11&12 Penalties, or elsewhere?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

9-11&12 Penalties, or elsewhere?

Is there somewhere else?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is there somewhere else?

That's what I just asked. I don't see anything that rules out offensive goaltending in 9-11&12.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's what I just asked. I don't see anything that rules out offensive goaltending in 9-11&12.

It does more than not rule it out. It give the specific penalty for each team. Billy Mac will probably copy and paste it in about 2 minutes. What I meant to ask is, what more do you need?

[BillyMac]

4-22: Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap
while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the
possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower
touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt

9-12: A player shall not commit goaltending, as in 4-22. PENALTIES:
1. If the violation is at the opponent’s basket, the opponents are awarded one
point if during a free throw, three points if during a three-point try and two
points in any other case. See 10-3-9 for additional penalty for goaltending
during a free throw. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure
are the same as if the awarded score had resulted from the ball having
gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand or bounce the
ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in.
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the
ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds
spot nearest the violation.

Also, I find this thread to be offensive.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

When the rule is this plainly stated, why would you need a case?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the rule is this plainly stated, why would you need a case?

Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

Paul Bunyan was a myth. Offensive goaltending, and offensive basket interference, are the real deal.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Paul Bunyon [sic] was a myth.

Says you, Connecticut!

Paul Bunyan is a good friend that lives happily near the legendary home for high school tournament basketball, the Bangor Auditorium.

(It's the airplane-looking thing in the background. 26, back me up...)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

The rule itself will have to suffice.

[Camron Rust]

From a fairness point, why would a rule permit the offense to grab/touch a ball yet prohibit the defense from doing so when the ball is in play (time periods during FTs and throwins excepted since they're part of the penalty for another infraction or otherwise earned).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

From a fairness point, why would a rule permit the offense to grab/touch a ball yet prohibit the defense from doing so when the ball is in play (time periods during FTs and throwins excepted since they're part of the penalty for another infraction or otherwise earned).

alley oop pass.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Again, to defy the myth that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

Never heard of such a myth until you created it in this thread.