goaltending or not?

[xxssmen]

Player A goes in for a layup while player B attempt to block the shot but misses and slap the back board hard which cause the backboard and rim to shake.(ball rolled out)

I blew my whistle and called a "T" on player B, as I report the "T" to the table, team A convinced my partner that it is also goaltending and that the basket should count and plus the "T" on top of it. So now am in a debate with the players and trying to convince my partner that they canot have both goaltending and "T" by rule.

I can't find my rule book, so can u guys help me out on this ruling?

[tomegun]

Technical foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by xxssmen
Player A goes in for a layup while player B attempt to block the shot but misses and slap the back board hard which cause the backboard and rim to shake.(ball rolled out)

I blew my whistle and called a "T" on player B, as I report the "T" to the table, team A convinced my partner that it is also goaltending and that the basket should count and plus the "T" on top of it. So now am in a debate with the players and trying to convince my partner that they canot have both goaltending and "T" by rule.

I can't find my rule book, so can u guys help me out on this ruling?

See rule 10-3-5(b) and casebook play 10.3.5. If you thought that B made a legitimate attempt to block the shot, as you said above, his play is legal- no matter whether the backboard vibrates or not. No technical foul. You can never call GT either because B never touched the ball. That's rule 9-12.

This might help also:
http://www.officialforum.com/thread/12067

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Apr 16th, 2004 at 07:29 AM]

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by xxssmen
So now am in a debate with the players and trying to convince my partner that they canot have both goaltending and "T" by rule.

Just a technical.

While you might occasionally discuss a rule interpretation (i.e., YOURS!) with a coach, you should never argue rules with players. It's not going to get you anywhere. Feel free to explain rules (no standing on the lower block - understand? ), but arguments are not good.

Also, this is a great thread to talk about teamwork, communication, and trusting your partner. Once one official makes a call, we should become like a football crew. Whoever made the call is the "R" and is the only one who announces the call and the penalty. Everyone else, if they have a problem, goes to the calling official (preferably before he announces his call) and we talk it over then - no one should have to 'overrule' anyone else.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
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Just a technical.

[/B][/QUOTE]Mark,you'd call a T on a player that attempted to block a shot, but missed the ball and vibrated the backboard? That surprises the hell outa me.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Just a technical.

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Mark,you'd call a T on a player that attempted to block a shot, but missed the ball and vibrated the backboard? That surprises the hell outa me. [/B][/QUOTE]

No - if it was incidental, then you have no call.

My quote was to indicate that you can't have both the technical and a goaltend/BI.

Of course, if you had any idea of my reputation for technical fouls, you wouldn't be very surprised.

[Adam]

Originally posted by xxssmen
Player A goes in for a layup while player B attempt to block the shot but misses and slap the back board hard which cause the backboard and rim to shake.(ball rolled out)

I blew my whistle and called a "T" on player B, as I report the "T" to the table, team A convinced my partner that it is also goaltending and that the basket should count and plus the "T" on top of it. So now am in a debate with the players and trying to convince my partner that they canot have both goaltending and "T" by rule.

I can't find my rule book, so can u guys help me out on this ruling?

Since he's attempting to block the shot, it's perfectly legal. No T, no GT. Play on with the rebound. However, you might want to have a doctor x-ray B1's hand for broken bones.