Rule 4-22 (Goaltending)

[bainsey]

In theory, is it possible for goaltending to be an offensive violation? I'm not talking about basket interference. Rule 4-22 clearly says it happens when a player meets the criteria, not specifying whether it's an offensive or defensive player (free throws notwithstanding).

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

In theory, is it possible for goaltending to be an offensive violation? I'm not talking about basket interference. Rule 4-22 clearly says it happens when a player meets the criteria, not specifying whether it's an offensive or defensive player (free throws notwithstanding).

Still, I can't find a case to support "offensive goaltending."

Try looking under the penalties.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Try looking under the penalties.

9-11&12 Penalties, or elsewhere?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

9-11&12 Penalties, or elsewhere?

Is there somewhere else?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Is there somewhere else?

That's what I just asked. I don't see anything that rules out offensive goaltending in 9-11&12.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

That's what I just asked. I don't see anything that rules out offensive goaltending in 9-11&12.

It does more than not rule it out. It give the specific penalty for each team. Billy Mac will probably copy and paste it in about 2 minutes. What I meant to ask is, what more do you need?

[BillyMac]

4-22: Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap
while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the
possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower
touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt

9-12: A player shall not commit goaltending, as in 4-22. PENALTIES:
1. If the violation is at the opponent’s basket, the opponents are awarded one
point if during a free throw, three points if during a three-point try and two
points in any other case. See 10-3-9 for additional penalty for goaltending
during a free throw. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure
are the same as if the awarded score had resulted from the ball having
gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand or bounce the
ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in.
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the
ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds
spot nearest the violation.

Also, I find this thread to be offensive.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the
ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds spot nearest the violation.

Exactly. I read "the violation" as either goaltending or basket interference, since nothing is telling me that we're only talking about b.i. This tells me that offensive goaltending can indeed exist.

My end game is to find something that says that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending. I've yet to find such words.

Also, I find this thread to be offensive.

Then this thread is now rated TV-14.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This tells me that offensive goaltending can indeed exist.

Yes, but it's very rare, like the Abominable Snowman.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yes, but it's very rare, like the Abominable Snowman.

Does this mean that we can call offensive goaltending violations, "Bumbles?" Do they bounce, too?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My end game is to find something that says that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Did you ever think of checking the case book?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Exactly. I read "the violation" as either goaltending or basket interference, since nothing is telling me that we're only talking about b.i. This tells me that offensive goaltending can indeed exist.

My end game is to find something that says that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending. I've yet to find such words.

bainsey, it's right their in black and white. He even highlighted it for you.

9-12 Penalties
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds spot nearest the violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

bainsey, it's right their in black and white. He even highlighted it for you.

9-12 Penalties
2. If the violation is at a team’s own basket, no points can be scored, and the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-ofbounds spot nearest the violation.

Plus case book play 9.12SitB....plus all the different rules that say a "player" ......rule 4-22, 9-12, 10-3-9,etc.....there's 10 players on the court.

Another end game that ended before it started.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

My end game is to find something that says that the offense can only commit basket interference, and not goaltending. I've yet to find such words.

You won't find anything because the offense can commit both goaltending and basket interference.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you ever think of checking the case book?

I refer you, Woody, to the last sentence of the OP.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

bainsey, it's right their [sic] in black and white.

Not to mention blue. Got it.