Handchecking

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

How do you explain the A/D concept to a coach?

You can't because their A/D is considerably different than yours.

I am not a fan of the A/D concept. I wish there was another way to refer to that concept because it definitley applies to the game. Especially at higher levels with better athletes. But, when you put words around it, it almost always seems to be interpreted incorrectly.

The A/D concept is used frequently to excuse a no-call that should have been called. It lulls us into not using our whistle when needed. It is not an easy thing to understand or apply. To me, it is a thing that even when (partially for me) understood is still hard to put into words.

I only felt good about applying A/D in a game when I quit trying to apply A/D to calls and made calls according to my understanding of the rules. The A/D followed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

You can't because their A/D is considerably different than yours.

I am not a fan of the A/D concept. I wish there was another way to refer to that concept because it definitley applies to the game. Especially at higher levels with better athletes. But, when you put words around it, it almost always seems to be interpreted incorrectly.

The A/D concept is used frequently to excuse a no-call that should have been called. It lulls us into not using our whistle when needed. It is not an easy thing to understand or apply. To me, it is a thing that even when (partially for me) understood is still hard to put into words.

I only felt good about applying A/D in a game when I quit trying to apply A/D to calls and made calls according to my understanding of the rules. The A/D followed.

A/D is in the rules. It's just shorthand for 4-27-3. "Contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

A/D is in the rules. It's just shorthand for 4-27-3. "Contact which does not hinder the opponent from participating in normal defensive or offensive movements should be considered incidental."

Furthermore:

Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule.

[BillyMac]

Places both hands on a ball-handler, it is a foul.
Continuously places a hand on the ball-handler, it is a foul.
Continuously jabs a hand or forearm on a ball-handler, it is a foul.

[SmokeEater]

I use the same philosophy as Billy on this and would add when the ball handler has had Rhythm, Speed, Balance or Quickness visibly affected by the handcheck.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I use the same philosophy as Billy on this and would add when the ball handler has had Rhythm, Speed, Balance or Quickness visibly affected by the handcheck.

Camp speak for advantage/disadvantage.

Just saying.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Camp speak for advantage/disadvantage.

Just saying.....

Actually this is not camp speak at the NCAA level, that is the philosophy as to how to call it. And when people used advantage/disadvantage people would us other things to make this call (going north or south, could the player complete the play). It is a little more than something you hear at a camp.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jurassic referee

camp speak for advantage/disadvantage.

Just saying.....

+1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Places both hands on a ball-handler, it is a foul.
Continuously places a hand on the ball-handler, it is a foul.
Continuously jabs a hand or forearm on a ball-handler, it is a foul.

And one hand on and then off is a judgment call as to advantage/disadvantage.

And so it is written...and so it shall be...under both NCAA and NFHS rules.