Bad call?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

A1 clearly charged into B1 and the contact was significant, but B1 was a stronger player.

You've seen it, B1 is 5'7" tall and 180lbs and A1 is 4'10" and 89 lbs.

But I blew too early.

Basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was B1 displaced or disadvantaged?

I worked a BV game last night where a player went down. He was displaced and probably went down a bit too easy, but I didn't care. Both teams decided last night to drive at every opportunity and try to go through players -- I had 6 player control fouls myself and 3 blocking fouls that would've been had the defense been a bit better.

It's likely that A1 traveled after the contact if she bounced off the defender. That's the one to get if it's there.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was B1 displaced or disadvantaged?

I worked a BV game last night where a player went down. He was displaced and probably went down a bit too easy, but I didn't care. Both teams decided last night to drive at every opportunity and try to go through players -- I had 6 player control fouls myself and 3 blocking fouls that would've been had the defense been a bit better.

It's likely that A1 traveled after the contact if she bounced off the defender. That's the one to get if it's there.

+1
Same thing here last night. A1 trying to drive between B1 and B2. There really wasn't enough room - but no displacement. A's coach harping about the lack of a blocking foul. I told him his player has to have enough room to go between them and had there been a call it would have been PC. Later in game - B2 standing in post facing A1. A1 goes up with some body lean. B2 arms straight up and is planted (he never really ever did move very well) A1's body lean causes contact on the shot. No call - again - not enough contact or displacement to call a PC and there is no way that is ever going to be a foul by B2 against the shooter.

[Adam]

Yep, that's a bail-out call players are looking for all the time. If they'd just try to shoot instead of draw the foul, they'd be better off.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by richmsn

basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was b1 displaced or disadvantaged?

+2

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by snaqwells

yep, that's a bail-out call players are looking for all the time. If they'd just try to shoot instead of draw the foul, they'd be better off.

+1

[Judtech]

Don't beat yourself up to bad. Wife's team had a play over Christmas where a girl about 50 lbs ran into our 180lb center. Little girl bounced off our center and our center was called for the block. When asked for an explaination my wife was informed "Coach, your player didn't fall. If she had fallen I would have called the charge". Its times like that where it is SOOOO difficult to keep quiet as the lowly assistant.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Don't beat yourself up to bad. Wife's team had a play over Christmas where a girl about 50 lbs ran into our 180lb center. Little girl bounced off our center and our center was called for the block. When asked for an explaination my wife was informed "Coach, your player didn't fall. If she had fallen I would have called the charge". Its times like that where it is SOOOO difficult to keep quiet as the lowly assistant.

Wow.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow.

Ok, I MAY have said that as I buried my head in my hands......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Ok, I MAY have said that as I buried my head in my hands......

I might have just started weeping for him.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I might have just started weeping for him.

Or for his partner....

[biggravy]

Don't lose any sleep over the call. I used to have that "they need to fall for it to be a charge mentality". I guess now I have a "referee the defense" mentality. I've become a lot quicker to pick up two types of PCF:

1. Plays like yours where the A1 illegally contacts B1, even if B1 doesn't fall. I see this mostly when A1 lowers their shoulder to make space, illegally contacts B1 displacing them, then goes up unabated for a jumper.

2. The dribble with one arm, stiff arm the defender with the free arm play. Tweet. Offense.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was B1 displaced or disadvantaged?

I worked a BV game last night where a player went down. He was displaced and probably went down a bit too easy, but I didn't care. Both teams decided last night to drive at every opportunity and try to go through players -- I had 6 player control fouls myself and 3 blocking fouls that would've been had the defense been a bit better.

It's likely that A1 traveled after the contact if she bounced off the defender. That's the one to get if it's there.

I was thinking about a ms game I had a few days ago, 7th grade girls and defender who is twice the size of A1, is right up on her. As young kids,especially girls do, they are both just standing there. eventually A1 falls backward on her touchus. I call a travel. Made me think, how did she fall over? She couldn't weigh more than 80 pounds, I could have sneezed and she would have fallen. Advantage/disadvantage? Defender appeared not to move. I realize of course the level but philosophically was she disadvantaged? Would I be penalizing defender? Believe me, you can see more situations in a ms girls game than any boys varsity.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Basketball is not a non-contact sport. Was B1 displaced or disadvantaged?

I worked a BV game last night where a player went down. He was displaced and probably went down a bit too easy, but I didn't care. Both teams decided last night to drive at every opportunity and try to go through players -- I had 6 player control fouls myself and 3 blocking fouls that would've been had the defense been a bit better.

It's likely that A1 traveled after the contact if she bounced off the defender. That's the one to get if it's there.

I was thinking about a ms game I had a few days ago, 7th grade girls and defender who is twice the size of A1, is right up on her. As young kids,especially girls do, they are both just standing there. eventually A1 falls backward on her tukhus. I call a travel. Made me think, how did she fall over? She couldn't weigh more than 80 pounds, I could have sneezed and she would have fallen. Advantage/disadvantage? Defender appeared not to move. I realize of course the level but philosophically was she disadvantaged? Would I be penalizing defender? Believe me, you can see more situations in a ms girls game than any boys varsity.

[Multiple Sports]

I hate those situations. It is an example of us blowing before the play finishes.

If you can get away with it, call a travel. If we have to stick it to the team becuase we are wrong, at least we aren't calling a foul on them.......


Will you be working the Fort Hill / Alleghany game this year ?????

[Adam]

Originally Posted by biggravy

Don't lose any sleep over the call. I used to have that "they need to fall for it to be a charge mentality". I guess now I have a "referee the defense" mentality. I've become a lot quicker to pick up two types of PCF:

1. Plays like yours where the A1 illegally contacts B1, even if B1 doesn't fall. I see this mostly when A1 lowers their shoulder to make space, illegally contacts B1 displacing them, then goes up unabated for a jumper.

2. The dribble with one arm, stiff arm the defender with the free arm play. Tweet. Offense.

No one here says they have to fall, but they should at least be displaced or impeded by the contact.