Right Call or Wrong Call

Johnny Ringo · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 04:54pm

Watch this video - did they get it right?

YouTube - John Glenn Homecoming 2009

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 05:07pm

Curious, is this John Glenn from Norwalk, CA?

JugglingReferee · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 05:33pm

Right call. I don't think the knee was on the ground again when possession was gained.

Just another case of too much TV influence,and not understanding the rules.

PublicBJ · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 06:26pm

I agree, I think he was coming up when he gained control of the ball by picking it up. Unfortunate, but I think the refs made the right call.

parepat · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 06:35pm

It looked to me that he was down at the time he gained possession. Beyond that, how long do you wait to kill it if no one is continuing the play?

Johnny Ringo · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 07:38pm

This game I think was in Michigan.

Adam · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 08:41pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

This game I think was in Michigan.

I agree, now. My mom graduated from a similarly named HS in Norwalk, CA, that's why I asked.

InsideTheStripe · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 09:08pm

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Originally Posted by parepat

Beyond that, how long do you wait to kill it if no one is continuing the play?

You're kidding, right? Which provision under 4-2-2 [a-k] would you use to kill a live ball in player possession?

I guess you could kill it there were enough people on the field that had a legitimate fear for the safety of the players.

With_Two_Flakes · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 09:43pm

That is Westland John Glenn in suburban Detroit. John Glenn Rockets and Plymouth Wildcats are in the same conference (Kensington Lakes? or something like that).

That field still looks very familiar, the first friday night Varsity football game I ever officiated was at that field (Fall of 1992). I was over there with three other British football officials on vacation staying with local officials. We worked Thursday night JV games and some Monday afternoon small college freshman games.

At the last minute, someone dropped out of a crew at John Glenn. Rather than shuffle folks around from other crews and since we Brits were all registered with MHSAA, the assigner decided to put one of us on the game and he had us draw straws for the slot.

I have the cheque from that game framed on my office wall - meant more to me to keep it as a momento than have the $35.

As for the actual play, I can't really see from this YouTube footage if the knee is down or not.

Canned Heat · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 13, 2009, 09:43pm

Saw this earlier and figured it would make it here at some point. I initially thought his knee was down with the ball, but looked some more and I think he was on the way up and then took possession.

Looks like a great call....with the exception of 35 or so people on the field as the team was about to score.

JugglingReferee · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 14, 2009, 09:41am

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Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Saw this earlier and figured it would make it here at some point. I initially thought his knee was down with the ball, but looked some more and I think he was on the way up and then took possession.

Looks like a great call....with the exception of 35 or so people on the field as the team was about to score.

On another forum, someone noted that if penalized, the excess celebration/people on the field is a succeeding spot enforcement, thus allowing the TD to stand.

I dunno if this is true or not.

BktBallRef · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 14, 2009, 10:30am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

On another forum, someone noted that if penalized, the excess celebration/people on the field is a succeeding spot enforcement, thus allowing the TD to stand.

I dunno if this is true or not.

True.

Had they killed the play with the holder standing there with the ball, it would have been an IW. They'd be kicking again, which would have created a bigger stink.

No, they got it right.

Rich · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 14, 2009, 11:10am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

True.

Had they killed the play with the holder standing there with the ball, it would have been an IW. They'd be kicking again, which would have created a bigger stink.

No, they got it right.

It's impossible to tell if the knee is down. I think it goes down after the kid catches the blocked kick (as he's standing), but who knows?

What's clear from the video is that at least one (and maybe more) of the officials were not ready to work the play all the way through. Look at the LJ. And I hate not having the one wing underneath -- especially when the L doesn't even move. I don't think he was ready for this, either, as I would've expected him to at least take a step towards the goal line.

Some of the comments on YouTube claim a whistle blew. I don't hear a whistle.

truth · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 14, 2009, 12:32pm

I think was was the right call. Very strange play, but heads up by the coach to yell at his kid to run. I think it could have gone either way, but I really do think that they made the right call.

Da Official · #15 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 14, 2009, 01:28pm

Question for you guys?

Since the kick never crossed the LOS, could Team A have kicked it again?

If so, does it matter that the holder's knee is on the ground?

Thoughts? (Also is Fed different from NCAA on this matter?)

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