Messy situation

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Because he was not listed at the start of the game? Is there a difference between being on the roster eligible to play and being in the scorebook?

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

I seem to remember some constipation...I mean consternation surrounding this scenario on this forum.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I seem to remember some constipation...I mean consternation surrounding this scenario on this forum.

True, let me change it.

A15 reports to the table and the table informs the officials before play begins. Coach then has the opportunity to withdraw A15 prior to participation (perhaps his team has the ball and he desires to add the player to the book when it won't cost him a possession.)

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I seem to remember some constipation...I mean consternation surrounding this scenario on this forum.

It's part of the case play in 3.2.2 that bob jenkins posted in this thread. Snaqs is right.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, let me change it.

A15 reports to the table and the table informs the officials before play begins. Coach then has the opportunity to withdraw A15 prior to participation (perhaps his team has the ball and he desires to add the player to the book when it won't cost him a possession.)

So if A15 reports but has not been added yet, as long as the ball doesn't become live the coach does not have to add him yet and can sit him back down and then either add him later or keep him on the bench? Do I have that right?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It's part of the case play in 3.2.2 that bob jenkins posted in this thread. Snaqs is right.

Yep, the question is whether or not any statistical input from A15 (scoring or fouls) changes this.

Originally Posted by zm1283

So if A15 reports but has not been added yet, as long as the ball doesn't become live the coach does not have to add him yet and can sit him back down and then either add him later or keep him on the bench? Do I have that right?

Yep.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Yep, the question is whether or not any statistical input from A15 (scoring or fouls) changes this.

Yup, that's what I was referring to. There was quite a discussion surrounding this not too long ago wasn't there?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Yup, that's what I was referring to. There was quite a discussion surrounding this not too long ago wasn't there?

Some think the case play is in error (not unlike the "backcourt interp" we all love to hate.)

Those opposed to the ruling fall back on "the scorer shall keep track of those who enter the game" (or whatever the rule is -- I'm without my books), and for the scorer to do that, s/he'd have to enter the information, even if the student-athlete is not longer in the game.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

Thanks for the clarification...one of the tips that my R showed me was to take a headcount of players during pregame and verify with coach that number and compare to the book.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Thanks for the clarification...one of the tips that my R showed me was to take a headcount of players during pregame and verify with coach that number and compare to the book.

Yup, and do this before the 10 minute mark so you can hopefully get it fixed without having to assess a tech for it. I caught this a couple of weeks ago when I noticed the visiting team was missing a player. Turns out the coach forgot to add her to the roster.