Messy situation

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

...During the first half after I report a foul, the scorer and timer wave me over to the table. They inform me that V12 has entered the game but is not in the scorebook. I ask if he had just entered during the present dead ball or if he entered at the last stoppage of play. They tell me that he came in the last time the clock was stopped which was 20-30 seconds before this...

The ball is dead. V12 is discovered to be participating but is not in the scorebook. He must now be added to the scorebook. You now assess a 'T'.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The ball is dead. V12 is discovered to be participating but is not in the scorebook. He must now be added to the scorebook. You now assess a 'T'.

So what is the difference between "occurs" and "discovered" in 10-1-2? Is the case play 10.1.2b wrong?

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The ball is dead. V12 is discovered to be participating but is not in the scorebook. He must now be added to the scorebook. You now assess a 'T'.

In my very first game ever 2 days ago..we had a scorebook issue as well. Assessed a Technical.

Question: after adding the player to book, is player eligible to play in game??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

In my very first game ever 2 days ago..we had a scorebook issue as well. Assessed a Technical.

Question: after adding the player to book, is player eligible to play in game??

Why wouldn't he be?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why wouldn't he be?

Academically ineligible?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Academically ineligible?

Or to steal a quote from Iowa Hawkeye football coach Kirk Ferentz regarding star running back Adam Robinson, "Academic indigestion."

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why wouldn't he be?

Because he was not listed at the start of the game? Is there a difference between being on the roster eligible to play and being in the scorebook?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Because he was not listed at the start of the game? Is there a difference between being on the roster eligible to play and being in the scorebook?

No. Once he has been added to the book it is as if his name was included from the start of the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Because he was not listed at the start of the game? Is there a difference between being on the roster eligible to play and being in the scorebook?

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

I seem to remember some constipation...I mean consternation surrounding this scenario on this forum.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I seem to remember some constipation...I mean consternation surrounding this scenario on this forum.

True, let me change it.

A15 reports to the table and the table informs the officials before play begins. Coach then has the opportunity to withdraw A15 prior to participation (perhaps his team has the ball and he desires to add the player to the book when it won't cost him a possession.)

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The only reason to add him is so he can play. If he doesn't play, there's no need to add him.

Scenario: A15 comes in as a sub but isn't in the book. At the end of the quarter, long after A15 has subbed out (with no points or fouls), the table notifies you of the problem. Coach can decide not to add A15 if he's not going to play him again.

Thanks for the clarification...one of the tips that my R showed me was to take a headcount of players during pregame and verify with coach that number and compare to the book.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Thanks for the clarification...one of the tips that my R showed me was to take a headcount of players during pregame and verify with coach that number and compare to the book.

Yup, and do this before the 10 minute mark so you can hopefully get it fixed without having to assess a tech for it. I caught this a couple of weeks ago when I noticed the visiting team was missing a player. Turns out the coach forgot to add her to the roster.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why wouldn't he be?

Maybe it was a girls game?

[letemplay]

Are you guys saying if A15 (not in book) gets in game for a few minutes without fouling or scoring(so as no change was made to book and officials are not notified), goes out, and never returns, there's no penalty that can be enforced?