Messy situation

[deecee]

ZM1283 -

The infraction IS the adding of the name. NOT entering the game. When the name IS ADDED to the book the infraction HAS OCCURED. Issue the T accordingly.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You must be reading it wrong. The answers you have been given are correct. See also 3.2.2C(a) -- it's nearly your exact play.

Looked at it.....thanks.

Originally Posted by just another ref

It has nothing to do with when the player enters the game. The player can play the whole game without penalty if no one notices and his name is never added.

Okay, I stand corrected.

Do you guys agree that we should have had a CE after it was discovered that V12 was on the roster submitted before the game?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Looked at it.....thanks.



Okay, I stand corrected.

Do you guys agree that we should have had a CE after it was discovered that V12 was on the roster submitted before the game?

I will agree that before issuing the T you should have done some legwork and request the roster that the visiting team submitted and check if it were a score keeper error. That would have avoided the whole situation to begin with.

Other than that wipe out the points for the free throws as they were un-merited. I can also argue using common sense that this T can be rescinded as this T has reprucussions. The most noticeable is that it is an indirect on the coach.

You can never go wrong going with the book but I will find anyone who would disagree with the T being rescinded (except of course the opposing coach).

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Do you guys agree that we should have had a CE after it was discovered that V12 was on the roster submitted before the game?

No. Under what element would you correct it? It's not an unmerited free throw. You assessed a T therefore it was merited. Your T was maybe unmeritted, but that's not a correctable error. Whether or not V12 was on the roster should have been determined before you issued the T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Other than that wipe out the points for the free throws as they were un-merited. I can also argue using common sense that this T can be rescinded as this T has repercussions. The most noticeable is that it is an indirect on the coach.

Administrative T, team T, no indirect on the coach.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by deecee

Other than that wipe out the points for the free throws as they were un-merited. I can also argue using common sense that this T can be rescinded as this T has reprucussions. The most noticeable is that it is an indirect on the coach.

Are you sure about that? Technical fouls assessed under NFHS 10-1 are Team Technicals and not charged to the head coach directly or indirectly. (See also, p 70 of the 2010-11 rule book, Technical Foul Penalty summary.)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Administrative T, team T, no indirect on the coach.

yes my brain fart.

[zm1283]

So are these unmerited FTs or not? Can they be canceled?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So are these unmerited FTs or not? Can they be canceled?

They are and they can.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mregor

no. Under what element would you correct it? It's not an unmerited free throw. You assessed a t therefore it was merited. Your t was maybe unmeritted, but that's not a correctable error. Whether or not v12 was on the roster should have been determined before you issued the t.

+1

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

So are these unmerited FTs or not? Can they be canceled?

Originally Posted by just another ref

They are and they can.

MRegor is right; once the FTs are shot, the T cannot be rescinded.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

MRegor is right; once the FTs are shot, the T cannot be rescinded.

Agree....almost. Technically, once the T is reported, it is too late. There is no mechanism for un-calling a foul that has been reported and recorded.

That said, I wouldn't criticize someone who did cancel the T in this case.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Agree....almost. Technically, once the T is reported, it is too late. There is no mechanism for un-calling a foul that has been reported.

That said, I wouldn't criticize someone who did cancel the T in this case.

So the line of thinking here is since the T was reported, it cannot be corrected as it is not a correctable error. The free throws then are merited as the penalty for the T and therefore cannot be canceled?

If so, it makes sense to me.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

We often take the official book to both coaches and have them approve it.

"coach is this your official roster?" they look it over and approve it or correct it before the 10 minute mark....

Here in Texas, we take the official book to each coach and have them check it and sign it under their list of players. I find it an odd practice, but do it because everyone else does it. If I am told a player from the visiting team is not in the book, I will still ask for the supplied list before assessing a T. The signature really means nothing "officially".

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Here in Texas, we take the official book to each coach and have them check it and sign it under their list of players. I find it an odd practice, but do it because everyone else does it. If I am told a player from the visiting team is not in the book, I will still ask for the supplied list before assessing a T. The signature really means nothing "officially".

We have some officials in our chapter that do that but I haven't noticed it universally being practiced around our parts. I haven't heard any formal instruction surrounding this either.