If I could change one rule, it would be....

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The 2005-06 POE read,

Conversely, a coach who yells, "Foul!" instructions to his or her team does not mean the ensuing foul is "automatically" an intentional foul – even though it is a strategic foul designed to stop the clock.

You're not going back far enough. That's after they changed it back. I need to go through my old books and see if I still have that one.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're not going back far enough. That's after they changed it back. I need to go through my old books and see if I still have that one.

Yes, I did go back far enough. I went back to exactly the point I wanted to and that was to the second POE. I'm well aware that's where they clarified what they had posted in the '04-05 POE. That's why I posted it it.

AND, they didn't change anything. They simply clarified what the had included the year before. It was poorly worded and they had everyone calling INT fouls when the coach yelled "Foul!" That was never the intent of the Rules Committee.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yes, I did go back far enough. I went back to exactly the point I wanted to and that was to the second POE. I'm well aware that's where they clarified what they had posted in the '04-05 POE. That's why I posted it it.

AND, they didn't change anything. They simply clarified what the had included the year before. It was poorly worded and they had everyone calling INT fouls when the coach yelled "Foul!" That was never the intent of the Rules Committee.

My apologizes then. It appeared to me that you were trying to quote the PoE that I was referring to that had been reversed, not the reversing PoE.

I can't speak as to what the intent of the committee was, but I can tell you that we were instructed at the state rules interpretation meeting that year to call INT fouls when the coach yelled "Foul!" If it wasn't their intent, they didn't do a good job of communicating it to my state. So, in my state at least, it changed and changed back because of the PoE.

If they didn't mean to change it, wow, did they ever blow it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You're not going back far enough. That's after they changed it back. I need to go through my old books and see if I still have that one.

See POE #5 in the 2000-01 NFHS rule book..."Acts that must be deemed intentional include when coach/player says 'watch, we're going to foul'. " If they said that, we were supposed to call an intentional foul on contact.

They then changed their minds on this a few years later.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See POE #5 in the 2000-01 NFHS rule book..."Acts that must be deemed intentional include when coach/player says 'watch, we're going to foul'. " If they said that, we were supposed to call an intentional foul on contact.

They then changed their minds on this a few years later.

That's the one. Thanks JR.

[BktBallRef]

Yep, looked for it but couldn't find it. I still use the Athletic Rules Study rule and case books as archives but some reason didn't have the 2004 version. I remember the original POE but somehow missed it when i looked back.

Eastshire, our state rep was the chairman of the rules committee during a portion of that time. That's how i know the 2005 POE was actually a clariication of what they had orignially intended. Between the meeting and the printing, it didn't get worded properly.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yep, looked for it but couldn't find it. I still use the Athletic Rules Study rule and case books as archives but some reason didn't have the 2004 version. I remember the original POE but somehow missed it when i looked back.

Eastshire, our state rep was the chairman of the rules committee during a portion of that time. That's how i know the 2005 POE was actually a clariication of what they had orignially intended. Between the meeting and the printing, it didn't get worded properly.

Then you're in a position to know. I just know what happened at my rules meeting and like you said there was a huge disconnect.