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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 02:21pm
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You'll never get the people in this forum to agree to those rules changes...why you ask? Cause it'd be too much like the NBA.

I do think we'll see the timeout rule happen at some point. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with resetting the penalty count each quarter.
Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 02:49pm
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You'll never get the people in this forum to agree to those rules changes...why you ask? Cause it'd be too much like the NBA.

I do think we'll see the timeout rule happen at some point. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with resetting the penalty count each quarter.
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Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
The NBA makes no bones about this rule. They have it to benefit the offense.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 04:25pm
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Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
The NBA and FIBA have the rule, so if you really think about it, high school and college are in the minority. I think if NFHS surveyed coaches and ADs on a possible rule change to reflect the NBA and FIBA rule, they'd get a good majority approval on the change.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 05:33pm
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The NBA and FIBA have the rule, so if you really think about it, high school and college are in the minority. I think if NFHS surveyed coaches and ADs on a possible rule change to reflect the NBA and FIBA rule, they'd get a good majority approval on the change.
In this country, more games are played under NFHS and NCAA rules than any other. And quite frankly, I don't care what they play in other countries.

I don't see this changing anytime soon. The NFHS is loathe to make drastic changes to the rules and this change would be drastic.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 05:50pm
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In this country, more games are played under NFHS and NCAA rules than any other. And quite frankly, I don't care what they play in other countries.

I don't see this changing anytime soon. The NFHS is loathe to make drastic changes to the rules and this change would be drastic.
I know that...I just pointed that two major rules body have seen no problem with the rule.

As far as it being drastic, it'd be a very easy rule to implement in my opinion. A more drastic rule would be adding a restricted area for secondary defenders. We've seen the NBA, FIBA, and NCAA-M go to it. I don't know if NFHS will add it anytime soon. I'd much rather see a shot clock mandated.
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I know that...I just pointed that two major rules body have seen no problem with the rule.

As far as it being drastic, it'd be a very easy rule to implement in my opinion. A more drastic rule would be adding a restricted area for secondary defenders. We've seen the NBA, FIBA, and NCAA-M go to it. I don't know if NFHS will add it anytime soon. I'd much rather see a shot clock mandated.
We'll see none of those.

I'd prefer a shot clock. We had a team pull it out with 2 minutes left in the first and second quarter Thursday night. So we stood around for probably 3:30 of the game watching the clock run down.
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We'll see none of those.

I'd prefer a shot clock. We had a team pull it out with 2 minutes left in the first and second quarter Thursday night. So we stood around for probably 3:30 of the game watching the clock run down.
Time will tell...I wouldn't mind seeing any of the changes. Don't mind the rules as it is now except for the lack of a mandated shot clock. Pulling it out with two minutes left and just holding it ain't playing basketball to me, but the rules makers didn't ask me. The closely guarded rule doesn't do enough because it's ridiculously easy for a competent point guard to break the 6 foot requirement.
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Time will tell...I wouldn't mind seeing any of the changes. Don't mind the rules as it is now except for the lack of a mandated shot clock. Pulling it out with two minutes left and just holding it ain't playing basketball to me, but the rules makers didn't ask me. The closely guarded rule doesn't do enough because it's ridiculously easy for a competent point guard to break the 6 foot requirement.
We had the lack of action rule when I started officiating. I hope they never, ever think of bringing that back.

I don't foresee mandatory shot clocks. Schools would have to pay for the clocks as well as an operator for all games. They won't even hire 3 officials at 80% of the schools / conferences around here -- the NFHS isn't going to be mandating a shot clock anytime soon, although I would expect them to put it in as a state association adoption at some point.
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Time will tell...I wouldn't mind seeing any of the changes. Don't mind the rules as it is now except for the lack of a mandated shot clock. Pulling it out with two minutes left and just holding it ain't playing basketball to me, but the rules makers didn't ask me. The closely guarded rule doesn't do enough because it's ridiculously easy for a competent point guard to break the 6 foot requirement.
I want no parts of a shot clock in high school ball. The games will be 2 hours long with all the stoppages to correct mistakes by the operator.
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We had a team pull it out with 2 minutes left in the first and second quarter Thursday night. So we stood around for probably 3:30 of the game watching the clock run down.
It takes TWO teams to play that game.
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It takes TWO teams to play that game.
Of course. And I don't get why the superior team, up 9, wouldn't put some pressure on, but they don't pay me to coach.
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It takes TWO teams to play that game.
That's how I feel.

I'm in one of the forty-something states that doesn't have a shot clock in high school hoops, though fans cry for it every so often. I'm against the idea, mostly because I fear the problems that will go with it -- incorrect resets, et al -- particularly in sub-varsity games.

Others may feel "that's not basketball," but if you want the ball, go after it.
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