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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 08:03pm
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We had a team pull it out with 2 minutes left in the first and second quarter Thursday night. So we stood around for probably 3:30 of the game watching the clock run down.
It takes TWO teams to play that game.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 08:21pm
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It takes TWO teams to play that game.
Of course. And I don't get why the superior team, up 9, wouldn't put some pressure on, but they don't pay me to coach.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 09:25pm
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It takes TWO teams to play that game.
That's how I feel.

I'm in one of the forty-something states that doesn't have a shot clock in high school hoops, though fans cry for it every so often. I'm against the idea, mostly because I fear the problems that will go with it -- incorrect resets, et al -- particularly in sub-varsity games.

Others may feel "that's not basketball," but if you want the ball, go after it.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 10:09pm
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I have one of those type games once every 2 or 3 years. I just don't think it happens often enough to necessitate a rule change.

I do think it would hurt teams that aren't very good. I can't imagine how bad it would be for some of the 1A girls games we see around here.
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I wouldn't mind a shot clock for high school, but it would be a chore to get competent operators at each school, plus it would make the bad games that much worse. I can't imagine a team that already can't hold on to the ball chucking up bad shots when they don't want to. There are some games when I would rather see both teams in a zone with little action. The aformentioned cost would be prohibitive as well.

I like the idea of resetting the team foul totals after each quarter and going to two shots on the 5th foul of the quarter. It would help the pace and flow of the game.
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I like the idea of resetting the team foul totals after each quarter and going to two shots on the 5th foul of the quarter. It would help the pace and flow of the game.
This is the FIBA rule and it rocks!

FIBA also has a shot clock, too, which I really like.

The pace of the games is great.
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This is the FIBA rule and it rocks!

FIBA also has a shot clock, too, which I really like.

The pace of the games is great.
I'd be happy to make this change (5 FTs per quarter bonus). I'd even do the NBE 2-fouls-in-the-last-2-minutes.
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Old Sun Dec 26, 2010, 09:55am
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I have one of those type games once every 2 or 3 years. I just don't think it happens often enough to necessitate a rule change.

I do think it would hurt teams that aren't very good. I can't imagine how bad it would be for some of the 1A girls games we see around here.
Yep. If teams can recruit / draft, then the shot clock makes some sense.

If you have to play with whatever kids are in your district, then you should be able to do what it takes to keep the game close / give your team the best chance to win. And, if that's playing for a low-scoring game, so be it.

I'd rather see a rule to the effect that, if a team pulls the ball out, and if the other team let's them, the coaches must get together and agree on a time put on the clock. Adjust the clock down, and re-start. No sense just standing around while the clock goes down from 6:00 to 1:00. If both teams agree, then put 1:00 on the clock and go.

(and, yes, I know there's the rule that the game can be shortened if both coaches and the R agree. So, what I think we really need is a process / mechanic to make this happen, rather than a rules change.)
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Old Sun Dec 26, 2010, 02:02pm
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Yep. If teams can recruit / draft, then the shot clock makes some sense.

If you have to play with whatever kids are in your district, then you should be able to do what it takes to keep the game close / give your team the best chance to win. And, if that's playing for a low-scoring game, so be it.

I'd rather see a rule to the effect that, if a team pulls the ball out, and if the other team let's them, the coaches must get together and agree on a time put on the clock. Adjust the clock down, and re-start. No sense just standing around while the clock goes down from 6:00 to 1:00. If both teams agree, then put 1:00 on the clock and go.

(and, yes, I know there's the rule that the game can be shortened if both coaches and the R agree. So, what I think we really need is a process / mechanic to make this happen, rather than a rules change.)
I think that all games above mini or maybe middle school depending on the ages of kids involved should have shot clocks. As an official it is a hassle and something you have to keep in mind, but as an ambassador of the sport of basketball I think anything that helps improve the skill of all the players/coaches involved it is a must:

the LLaBB: HOW THE SHOT CLOCK IMPROVES PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
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I have one of those type games once every 2 or 3 years. I just don't think it happens often enough to necessitate a rule change.

I do think it would hurt teams that aren't very good. I can't imagine how bad it would be for some of the 1A girls games we see around here.
My thoughts precisely.
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