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Old Thu Dec 23, 2010, 08:32pm
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I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game. Give the first (start of game) possession to the V. Then alternate at each quarter regardless of AP arrow. Reset AP with possession at each quarter.

Kind of like "first bats" and "last bats" in baseball. Given the AP it will still awlays be within one of being even. And, Home team will have possession to start the 4th quarter.
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Old Thu Dec 23, 2010, 08:56pm
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I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game.
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Old Thu Dec 23, 2010, 09:41pm
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Old Thu Dec 23, 2010, 08:58pm
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I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game. Give the first (start of game) possession to the V. Then alternate at each quarter regardless of AP arrow. Reset AP with possession at each quarter.

Kind of like "first bats" and "last bats" in baseball. Given the AP it will still awlays be within one of being even. And, Home team will have possession to start the 4th quarter.
I have no problem with that.
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Old Fri Dec 24, 2010, 02:05am
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I would like to get rid of the jump ball to start the game.
Okay, so what about overtime periods?
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Old Fri Dec 24, 2010, 11:48am
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Okay, so what about overtime periods?
OTs are an extension of the 4th period. We just keep going with AP as it alternates from the beginning of the 4th period.
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Old Fri Dec 24, 2010, 04:36pm
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OTs are an extension of the 4th period. We just keep going with AP as it alternates from the beginning of the 4th period.
Yuck. I know I'm old fashioned, I like the jump balls and hate the AP. (Maybe I like them cuz I was good at them. . . or knew what I could get away with . . .) I reluctantly accept that it's here to stay (and agree it's a good thing for lower levels, esp lower level girls where I recall almost having to ice my arm after doing 5th grade girl's games when I was in high school) -- but unbalance OT? Yuck. Double yuck. A jump at the start remains a nice ceremonial beginning to the game. And OT deserves the ceremony, too.
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Old Fri Dec 24, 2010, 05:19pm
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Yuck. I know I'm old fashioned, I like the jump balls and hate the AP. (Maybe I like them cuz I was good at them. . . or knew what I could get away with . . .) I reluctantly accept that it's here to stay (and agree it's a good thing for lower levels, esp lower level girls where I recall almost having to ice my arm after doing 5th grade girl's games when I was in high school) -- but unbalance OT? Yuck. Double yuck. A jump at the start remains a nice ceremonial beginning to the game. And OT deserves the ceremony, too.
One of the things I hated most about GV back in the 70s was picking out which 2 out of 8 girls were in there first when they tied up the ball immediately after a jump ball. For the third time in rapid succession. Rapid might not be the right term, because everything was in slow motion. The AP arrow was the best rule change in the last 25 years, despite what Dickie V thinks about it.
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Old Fri Dec 24, 2010, 03:12am
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Ok here's another idea, especially since just went through a 2 OT game, since OT is considered an extension of the 4th quarter (2nd half in college), have OT start like the resumption of play after halftime.

I like the idea of 16 minute halves instead or 8 minute quarters. That would take away 2 1-minute official TOs & could make the game go a bit faster.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 12:04am
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I like the idea of 16 minute halves instead or 8 minute quarters. That would take away 2 1-minute official TOs & could make the game go a bit faster.
We've gone to 18 min halves in ND and MN for V games. It takes away a quarter break but gives 2 more minutes for possible bonus FT's. So it seems like a wash. We have shot clock in V games (and some JV games). So far in 3 V games I've had 1 SC violation.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 11:56am
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I personally like the 4 quarter system. It gives you the chance to possibly prevent some book keeping errors from coming back to bite you later in the game. It is also nice to get a breather for 60 seconds.

In the grand scheme of things, is an extra minute between the 1st and 2nd and 3rd and 4th really that big of a deal?

Speaking of speaking up the game, I do enjoy FIBA's rule for the penalty. Fouls reset after each quarter, 2 shot penalty on the 5th foul- makes for a smoother game than FED.

Also, in FIBA if you are entitled to a back court throw in in the last 2 mins of the 4th or OT and you call a time out, than you get the ball at the throw in line in your front court.
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I personally like the 4 quarter system. It gives you the chance to possibly prevent some book keeping errors from coming back to bite you later in the game. It is also nice to get a breather for 60 seconds.

In the grand scheme of things, is an extra minute between the 1st and 2nd and 3rd and 4th really that big of a deal?

Speaking of speaking up the game, I do enjoy FIBA's rule for the penalty. Fouls reset after each quarter, 2 shot penalty on the 5th foul- makes for a smoother game than FED.

Also, in FIBA if you are entitled to a back court throw in in the last 2 mins of the 4th or OT and you call a time out, than you get the ball at the throw in line in your front court.
You'll never get the people in this forum to agree to those rules changes...why you ask? Cause it'd be too much like the NBA.

I do think we'll see the timeout rule happen at some point. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with resetting the penalty count each quarter.
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Old Sat Dec 25, 2010, 02:21pm
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You'll never get the people in this forum to agree to those rules changes...why you ask? Cause it'd be too much like the NBA.

I do think we'll see the timeout rule happen at some point. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with resetting the penalty count each quarter.
Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
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You'll never get the people in this forum to agree to those rules changes...why you ask? Cause it'd be too much like the NBA.

I do think we'll see the timeout rule happen at some point. I also wouldn't mind experimenting with resetting the penalty count each quarter.
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Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
The NBA makes no bones about this rule. They have it to benefit the offense.
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Why should a team be allowed to move the ball up on a timeout? I know the NBE does it, but even there it really makes no sense at all.
The NBA and FIBA have the rule, so if you really think about it, high school and college are in the minority. I think if NFHS surveyed coaches and ADs on a possible rule change to reflect the NBA and FIBA rule, they'd get a good majority approval on the change.
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