NCAA Record broken

[chseagle]

BYU-Hawaii is an affiliate campus of BYU (or BYU-Provo), there's also BYU-Idaho (used to be Ricks College). Each campus has it's own admissions & administrative departments as well as athletics programs.

There's also BYU-Salt Lake, which is a branch campus of BYU-Provo. There's also BYU-Nauvoo & BYU-Jerusalem (neither has athletics, mainly theological studies) which are travel study programs (1-2 semesters).

BYU-Idaho has only intramural athletics, however when still as Ricks College they had one of the best JC Football programs in the nation, as well as being the largest JC in the US. As Ricks became BYU-Idaho, the athletics program changed to intramural by result of the LDS Church First Presidency in order to not create a conflict with BYU-Provo Athletics with the 2 being 5 hours apart.

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

I read that article on the NCAA web site. It feels to me like they are pushing too hard.

And just to take the discussion further off-track:

Top 10 all-time / all-divisions / all-sports win streaks
Wins Team Division Year(s)
137 Miami (Fla.) men’s tennis I 1957-64
130 BYU-Hawaii women’s tennis II 2002-05
109 Penn State women’s volleyball I 2007-10
92 North Carolina women’s soccer I 1990-94
89 Connecticut women’s basketball I 2008-current
89 Stanford women’s tennis I 2003-07
88 TCNJ women’s lacrosse III 1992-96
88 UCLA men’s basketball I 1971-1974
81 Washington-St. Louis women’s basketball III 1998-01
75 Concordia-St. Paul women’s volleyball II 2008-10

What is BYU-Hawaii? Did they combine teams? Is it a branch campus?

[stripes]

Originally Posted by chseagle

BYU-Hawaii is an affiliate campus of BYU (or BYU-Provo), there's also BYU-Idaho (used to be Ricks College). Each campus has it's own admissions & administrative departments as well as athletics programs.

Almost right. I am a former student at Ricks College and a graduate of BYU (Provo). BYU-I (formerly Ricks College) does not have an athletic department. They quit playing intercollegiate sports 1 year after the name change was made. I used to work in the league they played basketball in and it used to be a great place to ref.

[chseagle]

I added a bit more to my comments as my wife (CHSLadyEagle) was a student there during the transitional period. She filled in some of the blanks I missed.

Several were of discord over the name change to BYU-Idaho, as they were wanting it changed to BYU-Ricks. My wife was one of them protesting the name change.

She'd rather it be called BYU-Ricks or Ricks University with regular athletics participating in either NCAA Div. II or III Athletics. Looking at current enrollment BYU-Idaho could participate in NCAA Div. I-AA Athletics.

Originally Posted by stripes

Almost right. I am a former student at Ricks College and a graduate of BYU (Provo). BYU-I (formerly Ricks College) does not have an athletic department. They quit playing intercollegiate sports 1 year after the name change was made. I used to work in the league they played basketball in and it used to be a great place to ref.

[CHSLadyEagle]

I hope I helped clarified the info concerning BYU-Ricks (um...Idaho) athletics. I was greatly opposed to them doing away with athletics & reducing it to intramural, especially with it being a feeder for BYU & BYU-Hawaii athletics, as well at Utah State, Boise State, and University of Utah who benefited from BYU-I athletics transfers. The last year of athletics the Football team did win the Real Dairy Bowl, as they were a perennial powerhouse. LDS Business College once had athletics, not to mention a very good basketball program w/ many undefeated seasons, but their sports program was chopped in the 50s/60s. I attended there a few semesters to keep up w/ my studies when I went to Salt Lake to work for a while. The campus has also moved from 400 East & South Temple to the old Triad Center (former KSL studios), west of Temple Square. BYU-Salt Lake is basically evening classes only & holds their classes in LDSBC's campus. There's a little know BYU campus in the South Pacific that has a athletic program too. There's also Southern Virginia University, not church owned, but owned by LDS Businessmen & ran like BYU and it's other campuses. They are a Division 2 school, but have done well in sports. They are often nicknamed BYU-East. I know they have Basketball, Soccer, and Cross Country programs, but can't remember all sports programs they have. A few years back, 2 girls from Connell HS played Soccer for them. BYU has 1 Girls Basketball player & 2-3 for Football from Connell.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I added a bit more to my comments as my wife (CHSLadyEagle) was a student there during the transitional period. She filled in some of the blanks I missed.

Several were of discord over the name change to BYU-Idaho, as they were wanting it changed to BYU-Ricks. My wife was one of them protesting the name change.

She'd rather it be called BYU-Ricks or Ricks University with regular athletics participating in either NCAA Div. II or III Athletics. Looking at current enrollment BYU-Idaho could participate in NCAA Div. I-AA Athletics.

All good, except BYU-I doesn't participate in intercollegiate athletics with the NCAA or NAIA at all.

And the size of the school has little to do with whether a school participates as a D1, D2, or D3 school. It is quite unlike HS sports. It is more based on the number of sports they participate in and the number of scholarships they give out.

[Camron Rust]

Wasn't it UConn who "rigged" the start of the game in cooperation with the other team to let a player score two points to break a scoring record?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wasn't it UConn who "rigged" the start of the game in cooperation with the other team to let a player score two points to break a scoring record?

Yes. It was Nykesha Sales. Against Villanova. Now she's third on the all time list. A black eye for Connecticut.

[Jurassic Referee]

Upon further review....

The NCAA did NOT sponsor womans basketball as a sport during the 1950's. Does that mean that any records set by universities playing major college womans university basketball games during that period just didn't happen? At that time, Wayland Baptist University won 131 consecutive womans basketball games at the major college level. That should be the recognized major college womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not the crappy l'il 89 game streak of UConn's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_streak_(sports)

In the immortal words of the late and great philosopher, BillyMac...I'm mad as hell and I'm just not going to take this anymore."

[26 Year Gap]

I've got a question. Do they use the same basketball? Or is there a difference?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I've got a question. Do they use the same basketball? Or is there a difference?

I've got a couple of questions.

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played? Or is there a difference?

Do they use the same golf equipment now as when Hogan and Snead played? Or is there a difference?

When the Babe played, did he use the same equipment as his competitors? When Tiger plays, does he use the same equipment as his competitors? When UConn won their games, did they use the exact same basketball as their competitors?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I've got a couple of questions.

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played? Or is there a difference?

Do they use the same golf equipment now as when Hogan and Snead played? Or is there a difference?

When the Babe played, did he use the same equipment as his competitors? When Tiger plays, does he use the same equipment as his competitors? When UConn won their games, did they use the exact same basketball as their competitors?

Has the size of the ball varied in your examples?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Has the size of the ball varied in your examples?

In the case of golf, I believe it has. The equipment alone has changed drastically over the past 20-30 years. Is it fair to say Jack Nicklaus isn't as good as Tiger, because he never hit it as far, or played on the same-sized courses as Tiger?

The only true comparisons are against the competition each one faces, not against different eras. Jack's record against his contemporaries speaks for itself; we can only speculate how Jack would play against Tiger if they were both in their prime at the same time and both using the same equipment on the same courses. So, can we say Jack's record of major victories is "better" or "worse" than Tiger's, because the equipment was different? Or is the number of victories what is important? Jack had his victories against his competition; Tiger's victories were against a different set of competitors, with different equipment, and on many different courses. Is golf exactly the same now as it was then?

UCLA's record was impressive, because it came against their contemporaries. UConn's record is equally as impressive. Are they exactly the same? No. But a victory against your current competition is a way to measure "success", and both UCLA and UConn have had great success in their own right the sport of basketball. Speaking strictly in numbers, UConn now has more consecutive basketball victories than UCLA. I don't know if that makes them "better", but it does mean they have more consecutive victories.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

In the case of golf, I believe it has. The equipment alone has changed drastically over the past 20-30 years. Is it fair to say Jack Nicklaus isn't as good as Tiger, because he never hit it as far, or played on the same-sized courses as Tiger?

The only true comparisons are against the competition each one faces, not against different eras. Jack's record against his contemporaries speaks for itself; we can only speculate how Jack would play against Tiger if they were both in their prime at the same time and both using the same equipment on the same courses. So, can we say Jack's record of major victories is "better" or "worse" than Tiger's, because the equipment was different? Or is the number of victories what is important? Jack had his victories against his competition; Tiger's victories were against a different set of competitors, with different equipment, and on many different courses. Is golf exactly the same now as it was then?

UCLA's record was impressive, because it came against their contemporaries. UConn's record is equally as impressive. Are they exactly the same? No. But a victory against your current competition is a way to measure "success", and both UCLA and UConn have had great success in their own right the sport of basketball. Speaking strictly in numbers, UConn now has more consecutive basketball victories than UCLA. I don't know if that makes them "better", but it does mean they have more consecutive victories.

We will not agree. Jack & Tiger still play[ed] golf. Still hit from the same tees. Jack is still better when the measure is majors won, and that may still be the case in 10 years. While it is an impressive streak in women's basketball it is still a women's record. And parity in women's basketball is nowhere near what it was/is in men's basketball. It is likely that if the size of the ball had not been reduced, that the game would be 20 years behind what it is today. And have even less viewership. I remember when the University of Vermont had a streak of 50 regular season wins in women's basketball, which was a record at the time. I doubt many outside of Vermont knew or even cared. Same with this. Best basketball team of all time? UCLA in the 60s & early 70s. Nobody has even come close. And five years from now, nobody will remember who broke the UConn streak. Except the participants and ESPN if they televise and make a special out of it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Do they use the same baseball now as they did when Babe Ruth played?

No, they lost it. It was getting awful dirty anyway.

[BBrules]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Upon further review....

The NCAA did NOT sponsor womans basketball as a sport during the 1950's. Does that mean that any records set by universities playing major college womans university basketball games during that period just didn't happen? At that time, Wayland Baptist University won 131 consecutive womans basketball games at the major college level. That should be the recognized major college womens basketball record for consecutive wins, not the crappy l'il 89 game streak of UConn's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_streak_(sports)

In the immortal words of the late and great philosopher, BillyMac...I'm mad as hell and I'm just not going to take this anymore."

This is correct - the Wayland Baptist wins were about 20 yrs prior to the NCAA. You are also correct that they should receive the recognition of having won the most consecutive basketball games. That is a basic question easily answered - just look at the numbers. The same with the basic question of what NCAA team has won the most consecutive games. UConn - just look at the numbers. Last time I checked 89 was more than 88. The problem we are encountering now is that too many are trying to answer a basic, tier 1 question with a second tier answer. A second tier question would be: do they deserve the acclaim bestowed on Wooden's team; did they get it honestly; are the courts the same; is the ball the same, etc. Those are secondary questions that are legitimate and, I'm sure, will be analyzed and debated for some time to come. My initial statement was based on a basic question as stated above. It is still correct - UConn. What college basketball team has won the most consecutive games? The Flying Queens of Wayland B. Do they deserve the same acclaim as UCLA, or UConn for that matter? That's a second level question. I don't know what college level WB plays on. You said they play on "the major college level". I won't dispute that. I just don't remember them. Did they play on an NCAA D1 level? These address second level questions. They don't affect the basic question.