Bad Backcourt Call by Partner. What to do?

[Welpe]

I just figured he had a "Bad backcourt call by partner" also happen this season.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by refnuts

Partner as T rules backcourt on an inbounds pass. A1 passes to A2 who jumped from the frontcourt caught the ball midair and landed in the backcourt.

I'm the L. Partner makes call. What to do?

Partner has 30+ years in and clearly has his mind on 7pm game.

Do you step in and ask him about his call or leave it be?

I had to answer to the coach who just had that call against him.

"Coach I didn't have a great look at that play from where I was."

Coach, "I knew you were going to say that!"

Approach him before anything else happens and remind him of the rule. It's his call, and hopefully changes it.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by refnuts

Partner as T rules backcourt on an inbounds pass. A1 passes to A2 who jumped from the frontcourt caught the ball midair and landed in the backcourt.

I'm the L. Partner makes call. What to do?

Partner has 30+ years in and clearly has his mind on 7pm game.

Do you step in and ask him about his call or leave it be?

I had to answer to the coach who just had that call against him.

"Coach I didn't have a great look at that play from where I was."

Coach, "I knew you were going to say that!"

If the situation doesn't resolve itself quickly and you find yourself in the situation of "needing" to go to your partner. I would go to my partner and say something along the lines of "Coach is asking so I am making sure, I did not see a player touch the throw-in." Or something like " I didn't see anything that stopped the throw-in exception." If my partner sticks with backcourt violation, I am staying with him.

If my partner goes with a call after we talk, I am not taking that moment (during a game) to argue rules. We can talk later.

This will probably bring criticism but I am not a big fan of changing my partners call. At least one of the 3 B's must be met here. It must be needed!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

If the situation doesn't resolve itself quickly and you find yourself in the situation of "needing" to go to your partner. I would go to my partner and say something along the lines of "Coach is asking so I am making sure, I did not see a player touch the throw-in." Or something like " I didn't see anything that stopped the throw-in exception." If my partner sticks with backcourt violation, I am staying with him.

If my partner goes with a call after we talk, I am not taking that moment (during a game) to argue rules. We can talk later.

This will probably bring criticism but I am not a big fan of changing my partners call. At least one of the 3 B's must be met here. It must be needed!

You can't change a partner's call without his consent. Period.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You can't change a partner's call without his consent. Period.

You can't change a partner's call whether he consents or not. You can give him information and let him change his own call.


Or drop his call entirely. Let's say you call block and he calls charge.......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You can't change a partner's call whether he consents or not. You can give him information and let him change his own call.

Semantics, I think. You certainly can make the change if he agrees. I would prefer I hadn't, but I've done it.

And, for the record, his agreement can sometimes be nothing more than silent acquiescence. In this case, you may get the call right but run the risk of becoming the headlights to your partner's deer.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Semantics, I think. You certainly can make the change if he agrees. I would prefer I hadn't, but I've done it.

Not really. The idea behind letting one of your partners change their own call is credibility. If you do it for him, you just destroyed their credibility.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You can't change a partner's call without his consent. Period.

I agree. I really didn't mean "change a partners call" as you as you are referring to it.

What I really meant is that I am not a fan of forcing my will on my partner at a point in the game that is not terribly significant. And considering that I may not have all the information that my partner has about said violation, I am not 100% certain that my interpretation/application/judgment of the violation in question is true, I will not use my super powers to persuade my partner to change his call as I see fit.

I'm just sayin'

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Not really. The idea behind letting one of your partners change their own call is credibility. If you do it for him, you just destroyed their credibility.

Agreed, and that's the reason I wish I'd done it differently last year. It's the only time I've ever done it. The rest of the game went well, but I kept thinking of how it could have gone wrong at that point.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Judtech

To be the jerk in the room....(J/k but just saying )
It seems to me you were ball watching. If you are in the L you would be the furthest from the play. I'd let it go until I had a chance to ask them about it later. And it can be done very easily at half/end of quarter or end of game. As you review your game just ask them what they had on the back court violation. Tell him, and he probably already knows, that the coach had a question about it and you didnt "have a good look".

I disagree. You don't have to be ball watching to be wide enough to see what's going on with the throw-in. I'm offering my partner help if he needs it.

[Adam]

I had one in a JV game a couple of years ago. Start of the quarter, I'm lead. All the players up high for the throw-in play. A2 breaks towards the BC and receives the pass while airborne, landing in the BC. T calls BC. Just as I start to head towards him to confer, he waves me in to talk. He knew immediately. Quick conference, he declares IW, and we move on.

[GoodwillRef]

"Partner has 30+ years in and clearly has his mind on 7pm game."

Why do we assume that if our partner has been working longer than us that he/she knows the rules better than we do?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

"Partner has 30+ years in and clearly has his mind on 7pm game."

Why do we assume that if our partner has been working longer than us that he/she knows the rules better than we do?

On the contrary, the additional time in some cases allows misconceptions to be more deeply rooted.

[Bishopcolle]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

You had the above play happen, except that it was a tipped ball? If so, that's a violation as I understand it. The tip ends the throw-in. So A1 inbounds, B1 tips, A2 jumps from frontcourt, catches the ball in the air, and lands in the backcourt? Violation.

On A's throwin, it doesn't matter if A or B tips the throwin pass, and A recovers in the backcourt. There is no team control on the throwin, and a tip by either team doesn't establish control, so the recovery in the backcourt by A does not constitute a violation....

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Bishopcolle

On A's throwin, it doesn't matter if A or B tips the throwin pass, and A recovers in the backcourt. There is no team control on the throwin, and a tip by either team doesn't establish control, so the recovery in the backcourt by A does not constitute a violation....

A tip does not establish control, but a tip does end the throw-in. If the ball is tipped by either team, then caught by A1 who jumped from the frontcourt and lands in the backcourt, this is a violation.