Technical foul situation

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

What is the definition of team member?

Without looking, it's bench personnel in uniform eligible to become a player.
This guy had fouled out, he was already not eligible, so why did handing the jersey to the coach make him no longer a team member?

[ODJ]

Kid gets pissed at his coach, tosses jersey at him, and leaves.

I doubt I'd T anything. He's not playing again for that coach. Let him walk off and get the quarter started. Why punish the team.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Kid gets pissed at his coach, tosses jersey at him, and leaves.

I doubt I'd T anything. He's not playing again for that coach. Let him walk off and get the quarter started. Why punish the team.

Are you kidding?? This one's automatic. I'd probably just hit him with one and be done with it. And I'd bet my bottom dollar the kid is back playing next game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Without looking, it's bench personnel in uniform eligible to become a player.
This guy had fouled out, he was already not eligible, so why did handing the jersey to the coach make him no longer a team member?

While it does say that, I think that it does so without considering DQ's. Someone who is DQ'd is still a team member....even though they can no longer play.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While it does say that, I think that it does so without considering DQ's. Someone who is DQ'd is still a team member....even though they can no longer play.

I agree. That was my whole point. Removing the jersey also would not relieve him of the responsibilities of a team member.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree. That was my whole point. Removing the jersey also would not relieve him of the responsibilities of a team member.

I'm still calling just one T here (for taking off the jersey). The "resentment and disgust" rule was meant, IMO, to apply to the players' attitude towards officials rather than coaches.
If it looks like the player is quitting (which is how I read the OP), I'm not going to punish the team further.

Whether he plays the next game, or even the next quarter, is not material.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Without looking, it's bench personnel in uniform eligible to become a player.
This guy had fouled out, he was already not eligible, so why did handing the jersey to the coach make him no longer a team member?

There was no foul out mentioned in the OP. Just the player and coach having words, the kid removing his jersey and handing it to the coach, then the kid walking off. To me, and I think this is what Bob was implying as well, that appears to be the kid quitting the team. In which case, I'm going to limit the overall penalty to a single T.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

There was no foul out mentioned in the OP. Just the player and coach having words, the kid removing his jersey and handing it to the coach, then the kid walking off. To me, and I think this is what Bob was implying as well, that appears to be the kid quitting the team. In which case, I'm going to limit the overall penalty to a single T.

OK, I crossed over this thread with the DQ thread. But I still don't think the fact that a player was no longer in uniform would change things. If he curses the ref on the way out, I think you would certainly T him again for that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

OK, I crossed over this thread with the DQ thread. But I still don't think the fact that a player was no longer in uniform would change things. If he curses the ref on the way out, I think you would certainly T him again for that.

Sure, and if frogs had wings....

[just another ref]

With regard to 10-5-5, what is an authorized reason? Can the coach send a player to the locker room to get a roll of tape? Or, in this case, can the coach
kick the player off the team (or accept his resignation from it) without penalty.
I lean toward no technical in this case. Also, apparently the situation in the OP was pretty conspicuous, but in most game situations player could do a lot of coming and going from the bench area without being noticed by the officials.