An Experiment

[TimTaylor]

And if you're going to err, it's best to be on the slow side. It would be pretty embarassing to make a 10 second back court violation call when only 7 or 8 seconds have run off the clock.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

It would be pretty embarrassing to make a 10 second back court violation call when only 7 or 8 seconds have run off the clock.

About thirty years ago, I did exactly that, yet, I remember it like it was yesterday. Only eight seconds had run off the clock after a made free throw. Coach was so upset that I had to charge him with a technical foul. In discussing it with my partner on the ride home, we figured out that I probably continued a five second throwin count and tacked it onto my ten second count. Apologized to the coach the next time I saw him. This was before we were encouraged to change hands when changing counts.

[shavano]

Just had my son test me on a 10 count backcourt count. 10.05 seconds.

Happy times... Now if I could get that spin move in the post called correctly every time...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by shavano

Now if I could get that spin move in the post called correctly every time...

With a player's back to the basket while holding the ball, the player rolls to his right or left. That makes the second foot his pivot. If he picks it up and puts it down before he shoots, easy travel.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

About thirty years ago, I did exactly that, yet, I remember it like it was yesterday. Only eight seconds had run off the clock after a made free throw. Coach was so upset that I had to charge him with a technical foul. In discussing it with my partner on the ride home, we figured out that I probably continued a five second throwin count and tacked it onto my ten second count. Apologized to the coach the next time I saw him. This was before we were encouraged to change hands when changing counts.

And how do you know the clock was started properly?

[Clark Kent]

I noticed my count was off a few years ago and now I try to keep it more consistent as I'm in T following the ball up the court. I try to look at the game clock when it is in bounded for a two main reasons. 1. to make sure it starts 2. to see how accurate my count is. I'm still not perfect, but I'm much better than I use to be.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And how do you know the clock was started properly?

From the coaches reaction, and the crowd's reaction, and knowing the guys at the table, I kind of knew that I screwed up. To bad the realization didn't come to me until I was in the car on the way home with my partner.

[BBrules]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

And if you're going to err, it's best to be on the slow side. It would be pretty embarassing to make a 10 second back court violation call when only 7 or 8 seconds have run off the clock.

I think this is why you are seeing the slow counts - over -compensation. I have seen this also the last couple of years in both HS and DIII. The worst was an official in a G9 game. The ball was inbounded and the thrower ran on up the court. The girl bringing it up slowly strolled from below the FT line to mid court. Had to have taken 25 seconds and when she hit the division line the official's arm swung for the 4th time. In my view, that gives an unfair advantage to the offense.

[chseagle]

Speaking of a 10-sec. BC Count, during Boys' V tonight, had H inbound from a scoring playing & right before the official could reach ten the HC called a TO. The shot clock read 24 secs. left out of 35. The V HC was complaining after the TO that the 10-sec. BC violation should of been called before the TO as 24 sec. was showing on the shot clock.

The official explained he got to 9 on the BC count before TO was called.

[constable]

All this talk about 10 second counts. Be glad you don't work FIBA. 8 second count starts on a touch by a player ( no control needed) and it does not reset following OOB, double foul or held ball where the offense retains possession.

[APG]

Originally Posted by constable

All this talk about 10 second counts. Be glad you don't work FIBA. 8 second count starts on a touch by a player ( no control needed) and it does not reset following OOB, double foul or held ball where the offense retains possession.

I'd prefer the rule be this way (not necessarily 8 vs. 10 but the rest).