Bringing the ball back in play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Ok, so follow up question to this one. How do I go about telling my partner who has been officiating for 20 years plus years but fails to grasp the little things like this, without offending him? I'm the youngest guy on the crew by years, but have worked my tail off and was the R on the crew.

How come no one communicated with the Lead as to where the ball would be coming into play?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How come no one communicated with the Lead as to where the ball would be coming into play?

He's have to be a pretty stupid Lead to not know the ball wasn't going to the endline since the ball wasn't in his primary or secondary.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He's have to be a pretty stupid Lead to not know the ball wasn't going to the endline since the ball wasn't in his primary or secondary.

Obviously he didn't know where the ball was going since he gave the coach wrong information.

Doesnt' take much effort to communicate to BOTH officials, but that's just me.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

He's have to be a pretty stupid Lead to not know the ball wasn't going to the endline since the ball wasn't in his primary or secondary.

Which is exactly why I really enjoy working with a partner who always points to the throwin spot every single time he, or she, sounds the whistle for a violation, foul, or time out, that will be followed by a throwin.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Early 4th quarter of what at the time was a close game. Visiting team has the ball and as they cross half court visiting team calls a time out. My partner who was in C called it, I was Trail and after communicating with C that the ball was going to be at mid court went and stood at my respective spot on the block in front of Home team's bench. Our partner who was in Lead, who without either of our knowledge informs Visiting coach that the ball will be inbounded on the baseline. We come out of the time out and I indicate the spot near mid-court where we will be bringing the ball in at and that is when the coach starts to yell "No! He told me it was on the baseline!!!" "I drew up a play...you have to put it baseline or give me 30 more seconds to change my play".

What do you do?

Here's my 2nd question Clark. How do you know that the 20-year vet told the coach the ball will be coming in on the baseline? Maybe the coach wasn't paying attention, mis-heard him, or was just flat out lying trying to gain an advantage.

[BktBallRef]

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Obviously he didn't know where the ball was going since he gave the coach wrong information.

Okay then, we agree. He's stupid. If you don't know, ask. Don't make something up.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Which is exactly why I really enjoy working with a partner who always points to the throwin spot every single time he, or she, sounds the whistle for a violation, foul, or time out, that will be followed by a throwin.

So do I. But I've got enough court awareness to know where the ball is. I have a pretty good idea that if I'm at L and the ball is nowhere near my area, then I'm not going to tell a coach it's on the endline.

If I don't know, I ASK. I certainly don't guess.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Here's my 2nd question Clark. How do you know that the 20-year vet told the coach the ball will be coming in on the baseline? Maybe the coach wasn't paying attention, mis-heard him, or was just flat out lying trying to gain an advantage.

You know, I'm not sure I have an answer for that. I'm trying to replay it in my head, and I guess I just took the coaches word for it. The coach was a reasonable guy so I took him at his word. There were a few things that came up after the game and we never did talk about this as a crew. Yes, looking back on it there was a better way that I could have assured us as a crew not to have messed up, but I didn't and now I want to learn from it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Here's my 2nd question Clark. How do you know that the 20-year vet told the coach the ball will be coming in on the baseline? Maybe the coach wasn't paying attention, mis-heard him, or was just flat out lying trying to gain an advantage.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

You know, I'm not sure I have an answer for that. I'm trying to replay it in my head, and I guess I just took the coaches word for it. The coach was a reasonable guy so I took him at his word. There were a few things that came up after the game and we never did talk about this as a crew. Yes, looking back on it there was a better way that I could have assured us as a crew not to have messed up, but I didn't and now I want to learn from it.

That's why it wouldn't have hurt to ask your partner; of course in a tactful, respectful way. I've ran into a few sneaky coaches. And on multiple occasions I have coaches make claims, about me and my partners, that I knew not to be truthful.

Shoot, we get those kinds of situations at my regular 9-to-5.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Shoot, we get those kinds of situations at my regular 9-to-5.

I don't see what relevance 9-2-5 has on this thread.