Violation?

[johnsonboys03]

Interesting situation happened last night. I was at a Varsity game and an official made a violation call that I've never seen before! A24 runs down the baseline but runs about 2 feet out of bounds... Lead official blows the whistle and waives his hand along the baseline and says "you cant do that 24" then points to the opposite end of the court.

I was kind of set back by this one!

[zm1283]

Leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. Used to be a technical, now it's a violation.

Edit: I guess it is a technical still if it is to show "resentment or disgust".

[johnsonboys03]

my understanding of the rule is that if you run out of bounds to get clear from your defender it is a technical foul. I believe that was a rule that was implemented just a few years ago.

I haven't seen anywhere that it is a violation

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

my understanding of the rule is that if you run out of bounds to get clear from your defender it is a technical foul. I believe that was a rule that was implemented just a few years ago.

I haven't seen anywhere that it is a violation

It used to be a technical foul, but it is now a violation. Check Rule 9 for violations, it is in there. I don't have the exact reference since my books are in the car in my bag.

If you were just going to tell me in your first response that it's a technical foul, why ask in the first place?

[TimTaylor]

rule 9-3-3.... A player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason.

PENALTY: (Section 3) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is
awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds
spot nearest the violation.

[BillyMac]

Had it once. Kid ran around a screen and almost knocked me over as the lead. Have warned a few times, but only had it called once.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

my understanding of the rule is that if you run out of bounds to get clear from your defender it is a technical foul. I believe that was a rule that was implemented just a few years ago.

I haven't seen anywhere that it is a violation

Are you an official? It was changed a few years ago. Gotta keep up with those rule changes.

[johnsonboys03]

I am an official...and actually usually pride myself on studying the rule book. I'm only a second year official, but that's not an excuse. I should stop listening to ppl that don't quote the rules to me...I broke my own rule!

Thanks for the imput. I got lazy on this one and asked before researching!

[bainsey]

A question for the vets.

If you see an offensive player running OOB, do you generally whistle it immediately, or wait until he gains an advantage of it (i.e., gets the ball)?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

I am an official...and actually usually pride myself on studying the rule book. I'm only a second year official, but that's not an excuse. I should stop listening to ppl that don't quote the rules to me...I broke my own rule!

Thanks for the imput. I got lazy on this one and asked before researching!

Great, great attitude. Big ups!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

As I said, the violation needs to be called right away, every time (except as specified in 6-7-9-d & 9.3.3 Sit D). If it is, then this becomes a moot point. If we wait until he comes back on to the court & gets the ball, then we have different circumstances - and it's the fault of the official for not calling the violation when they should have.

"Coach, what you player did is a violation. But because I didn't call it immediately, now it's a technical foul."

Sorry Tim but that's makes no sense. More importantly, you're trying to spin and twist the rules to support YOUR interpretation.

[hoopguy]

9-3-3 - player runs out of bounds for unauthorized reason. Violation.

10.3.2a - The player who has just thrown the ball in on a thowin, stays out of bounds and recieves pass. This is a technical foul.

These two rules/cases happen basically the same way except for the fact that the player recieving the pass is in one case the inbounding player on a thowin. Usually the offensive team is setting up a endline pick play and the offending player is using the pick by running out of bounds. If the player is the inbounder then it is a techincal foul and if it is not on an inbounds play then it is a violation.

Last year in one game, I called it 2 times and my partner once against the same team. The play was set up wrong and it was pretty obvious. The lead would almost get run over by the cutter. Very easy call if you are aware that it is a violation.

The last game I worked I had a situation where there was a battle for the ball and I was trail-becoming lead and I was moving onto the court to view the battle for the ball but then back toward the sidline once the play started to move to the other end and a player was passing me and went outside me and probably out of bounds but I was not going to make that call since he was just trying not to run into me. I will call this an 'authorized reason' for breifly going out of bounds.

[DesMoines]

We sort of had this in a game earlier this year, but for us it was a restraining line violation. A1 was behind the end line, but A2 ran inside the restraining line during the throw in.

After that, I stepped out 3 feet and stood so I could also look down the restraining line on in-bounds plays for the rest of the game.

Tiny little gyms in south central Iowa.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DesMoines

We sort of had this in a game earlier this year, but for us it was a restraining line violation. A1 was behind the end line, but A2 ran inside the restraining line during the throw in.

After that, I stepped out 3 feet and stood so I could also look down the restraining line on in-bounds plays for the rest of the game.

Tiny little gyms in south central Iowa.

I grew up in such a gym; 30 miles NE of Des Moines. My first experience as an official with an actual restraining line, however was at a small Baptist school in Des Moines.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by DesMoines

We sort of had this in a game earlier this year, but for us it was a restraining line violation. A1 was behind the end line, but A2 ran inside the restraining line during the throw in.

After that, I stepped out 3 feet and stood so I could also look down the restraining line on in-bounds plays for the rest of the game.

Tiny little gyms in south central Iowa.

I seem to recall a case where that's legal -- and then the defense can cross the restraining line as well.