Spot OOB violation mechanic

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by PG_Ref

Or if you're from an IAABO board use the IAABO mechanic on page 198

Fixed it for ya.

"Or" ain't an option for the great majority of officials who are non-IAABO members.

Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Fixed it for ya.

"Or" ain't an option for the great majority of officials who are non-IAABO members.

Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

Pretty much the same ... I guess it depends on how you look at the cartoon man

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Is the IAABO mechanic different than the NFHS signal?

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual and, I believe, the NFHS manual, were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

Maybe use the official Fed mechanic followed by an open hand "5 count" solely for the benefit of the coach who's player committed the violation since he/she probably won't have a clue what the proper mechanic is communicating?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual and, I believe, the NFHS manual, were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

I just realized something. You think waaaaaaaay too much.

See NFHS signal 24.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See NFHS signal 24.

Similar signal in the IAABO mechanics manual says "Five Seconds Closely Guarded". There is no "Five Second Violation" (like NFHS Signal 24) in the IAABO manual.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Similar signal in the IAABO mechanics manual says "Five Seconds Closely Guarded". There is no "Five Second Violation" (like NFHS Signal 24) in the IAABO manual.

Doesn't mean you're wrong, Billy. Means some IAABO rules-making monkey is wrong, trying to improve on something that didn't need improving in the first place. The open-handed 5 finger signal has been de rigeur everywhere on a throw-in time violation as long as I've been around afaik. The purpose of any signal is tell everybody in the gym what you just called. And NFHS signal #24 does that in this case. Using signal #26 instead...like IAABO wants you too...will just confuse everbody in the gym, including your partners. Nobody will have a clue whether you called a 5-second violation or a spot violation.

Stoopid IAABO rules-making monkeys!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Using signal #26 instead, like IAABO wants you too, will just confuse everybody in the gym, including your partners. Nobody will have a clue whether you called a 5-second violation or a spot violation.

Thus the title of my post previous post: Stupid IAABO Mechanics ...

Just what was the problem with IAABO continuing to use NFHS mechanics anyway?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Just what was the problem with IAABO continuing to use NFHS mechanics anyway?

That's what's confusing to me also, Billy. I thought they'd use the same signals at least. They're standard and have been around a long time.

Just for my own edification, I e-mailed a nameless IAABO board interpreter whose knowledge of the game and rules I have a very deep respect for about this. Had an initial response and just waiting for his reply to some follow-up questions. Wierd.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I just realized something. For thirty years I've been giving the wrong signal for a five second throwin violation. I've always given the five finger open hand signal, the same signal we use for a five second closely guarded violation. I've only used the signal above for designated spot, or throwin player onto the court, throwin violations. According to the IAABO manual were supposed to give the same signal, above, for all throw in violations.

Comments?

The first responses from the inquiries that I made to an esteemed IAABO rules interpreter that I know...who e-mailed some fellow esteemed IAABO rules interpreters....is that your IAABO signal #24 is labelled wrong and should be labelled the same as the NFHS signal #24...i.e. 5 second violation. They also said that they teach and use the 5 finger open-handed signal( signal #24) for all 5-second throw-in violations.

I'm awaiting further responses.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The first responses from the inquiries that I made to an esteemed IAABO rules interpreter that I know...who e-mailed some fellow esteemed IAABO rules interpreters....is that your IAABO signal #24 is labelled wrong and should be labelled the same as the NFHS signal #24...i.e. 5 second violation. They also said that they teach and use the 5 finger open-handed signal( signal #24) for all 5-second throw-in violations.

I'm awaiting further responses.

I figured this was simply an editorial mistake. I've never been corrected for using #24 for this violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I figured this was simply an editorial mistake. I've never been corrected for using #24 for this violation.

That seems to be the consensus so far from several IAABO rules interpreter I've talked to. And anything and everything that the one esteemed interpreter has ever told me I know I can take to the bank. Well almost everything. Gotta leave out beisbol.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That seems to be the consensus so far from several IAABO rules interpreter I've talked to. And anything and everything that the one esteemed interpreter has ever told me I know I can take to the bank. Well almost everything. Gotta leave out beisbol.

Everyone has their weakness. For some, it's baseball. For others, it might be acorns. For a select few, it's both.

[Jurassic Referee]

And the consensus from the IAABO interpreters...including my esteemed friend and another board interpreter who has served on the NFHS rules committee...is that it's a typo, the IAABO signal should be labelled the same as the NFHS signal and it should be used for 5 second throw-in violations, as always.

Looks like a mountain out of a molehill, Billy.

My thanks to the IAABO board interpreters who post here.