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SamIAm Mon Dec 06, 2010 04:02pm

Seth Davis and John Adams SI Article
 
Link to the SI article - Referee czar John Adams clears up confusion; plus Hoop Thoughts - Seth Davis - SI.com

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 06, 2010 04:17pm

Great point by Adams imo in stating that pulling a jersey should always be an intentional foul. That's one call that doesn't seem to be universally made, at both the high school and college levels.

Raymond Mon Dec 06, 2010 04:37pm

chseagle, have you ever made this mistake? I think the timer should be tasered on the spot.

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Originally Posted by article
...Here's a wacky situation quiz for ya: A player takes a foul shot with his team leading by two points. He misses the shot, the ball lands on the floor, and nobody from either team touches it. You probably know that the clock is not supposed to start until a player touches the ball, but what if the scoreboard operator mistakenly starts the clock, and the ref notices the error and blows his whistle -- and still nobody has touched the ball? Yes, they can use the replay monitor to determine that a few seconds should be put back on the clock to correct the timing error, but how do you know which team gets the ball?

The answer: You use the possession arrow. I raise this question because Adams told me that that was the exact situation at the end of Evansville's recent win over Butler. Following the missed free throw, the Evansville players had all run back on defense, but the Butler players were waiting to touch the ball to conserve time. The scoreboard operator mistakenly ran the clock. Fortunately for everyone involved, the possession arrow pointed to Butler, but it would have been a p.r. disaster if Butler would have lost a chance to tie the game on that kind of fluke.


M&M Guy Mon Dec 06, 2010 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 705700)

While I applaud the attempt at explaining the "new" elbow rule, I still think the article left out one option in the choices involving contact - contact involving a "basketball play" still could be ruled incidental, and no foul be called.

The only part that's been changed in all of this is the fact that if a foul needs to be called on contact involving an elbow above the neck, a personal foul is no longer an option.

BillyMac Mon Dec 06, 2010 07:06pm

"Holding a player's jersey is just holding and is just a regular foul."
 
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 705704)
Pulling a jersey should always be an intentional foul.

Had this in a boys high school varsity scrimmage Saturday. A1 has a throwin under his own basket. I'm the administering official and hand the ball to A1. Team A players begin to set screens to get open. B1 grabs A2 by the jersey and holds on tight. Ball has not yet been thrown in. I sound my whistle and call an intentional foul on B1. Team B coach has a cow. "That's not an intentional foul. My player was just holding his opponent. Holding a player's jersey is just holding and is just a regular foul."

Hopefully the coach will read the article.

Adam Mon Dec 06, 2010 07:09pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 705738)
Had this in a boys high school varsity scrimmage Saturday. A1 has a throwin under his own basket. I'm the administering official and hand the ball to A1. Team A players begin to set screens to get open. B1 grabs A2 by the jersey and holds on tight. Ball has not yet been thrown in. I sound my whistle and call an intentional foul on B1. Team B coach has a cow. "That's not an intentional foul. My player was just holding his opponent. Holding a player's jersey is just holding and is just a regular foul."

Hopefully the coach will read the article.

Wow. Wonder if the opponent had grabbed his players arm and held on for dear life, would he have been satisfied with a "regular foul?"

mbyron Mon Dec 06, 2010 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 705728)
The only part that's been changed in all of this is the fact that if a foul needs to be called on contact involving an elbow above the neck, a <s>personal</s> common foul is no longer an option.

Fixed it for ya. ;)

M&M Guy Tue Dec 07, 2010 09:13am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705750)
Fixed it for ya. ;)

Yep, you're right. Thanks. :)

Nothing worse than making a mistake while trying to point out a mistake.

mbyron Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:31am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 705797)
Nothing worse than making a mistake while trying to point out a mistake.

Don't I no it!
;)

Adam Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:32am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705813)
Don't I no it!
;)

Ba dump bump!

M&M Guy Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:41am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 705813)
Don't I no it!
;)

Know, you don't.

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 705815)
Ba dump bump!

When I read this the first time, I thought it said, "Be a dump bump". I couldn't figure out what a dump bump was. . . :confused:

Adam Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:32am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 705830)
When I read this the first time, I thought it said, "Be a dump bump". I couldn't figure out what a dump bump was. . . :confused:

Sorry, I had no way of writing in the syncopation.

Adam Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 705820)
Know, you don't.

A Yoda quote, is that?

silverpie Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 705834)
A Yoda quote, is that?

Attempted, but failed--use contractions, Yoda does not.


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