Any Rule Against This Lame Tactic?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes, the assignor. And the question of why I would be the only person calling such a thing for a player yelling.

I wouldn't advise anyone to officiate in fear of the assignor. If you call what you see and what you believe is right, then a good assignor will back you. If you don't receive that support, then you will be better off not working for that person.

Ask rockyroad.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I wouldn't advise anyone to officiate in fear of the assignor. If you call what you see and what you believe is right, then a good assignor will back you. If you don't receive that support, then you will be better off not working for that person.

Ask rockyroad.

Fear has nothing to do with this situation. It has to do with common sense. And it does not display much common sense for calling a T for this. I would have the same reaction if I heard someone gave a T and I do not assign a single game from others if I do not work for one guy anymore. But yelling at a player is has not even been considered unsportsmanlike while the player is shooting. I have never seen such interpretation to support such an action. Of course you could go there (based on the rules you referenced), but if you played any basketball in your life, people use their voice from time to time. And yes, they yell at the shooter some time. Next thing you are going to tell me a player cannot yell out anything to their teammates.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would have the same reaction if I heard someone gave a T and I do not assign a single game from others if I do not work for one guy anymore.

I actually agree with you on this one, I think.

But what the hell does the above sentence mean?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I actually agree with you on this one, I think.

But what the hell does the above sentence mean?

If I heard someone call a T for this, I would cringe and shake my head in disbelief.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Unsporting technical foul.

OOO

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I wouldn't advise anyone to officiate in fear of the assignor. If you call what you see and what you believe is right, then a good assignor will back you. If you don't receive that support, then you will be better off not working for that person.

But if what you believe is right is actually considered completely and totally wrong by accepted officiating practice, then a good assignor will put your OOO azz into middle school games where you can't further embarrass him or his association.

I'm a good assignor. You might work for me again but it sureashell wouldn't be in a meaningful game if you ever pulled crap like that and insisted you'd do it again under the same circumstances.

There really does exist what is known as the "expected call". And the expected call in this particular case sureashell ain't an unsporting "T".

My personal recommendation is to check with your local rules interpreter before even thinking of following Nevada's advice on this one. That might just save you a future ton of grief.

[bainsey]

The only time I've ever seen this was on a free throw. I had the delayed disconcertion violation, but the free throw was good, so I simply spoke with the kid.

We are instructed here to T up repeated yelling when it's obviously designed to taunt ("dead dead dead"), but it's questionable whether this is applicable in the OP.

Here's a thought. If A-1 goes on an easy breakaway, and Coach B spews profanity along the way, we are supposed to hold the T until after the shot. Let's say, in the OP, the shooter misses the shot. What about using judgment that the yelling caused this miss? (If the shot is good, what's wrong with merely speaking to young yeller?)

By the way, I never bothered to ask this: "OOO?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The only time I've ever seen this was on a free throw. I had the delayed disconcertion violation, but the free throw was good, so I simply spoke with the kid.

We are instructed here to T up repeated yelling when it's obviously designed to taunt ("dead dead dead"), but it's questionable whether this is applicable in the OP.

Here's a thought. If A-1 goes on an easy breakaway, and Coach B spews profanity along the way, we are supposed to hold the T until after the shot. Let's say, in the OP, the shooter misses the shot. What about using judgment that the yelling caused this miss? (If the shot is good, what's wrong with merely speaking to young yeller?)

By the way, I never bothered to ask this: "OOO?"

"Dead, dead, dead" is taunting? Not here -- it's notice to the other players to change the defense.

OOO ==> Overly Officious Oaf

On the OP, it would have to be significantly more egregious than I have ever seen or heard of for me to call a T (in the absence of specific instruction from above).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

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We are instructed here to T up repeated yelling when it's obviously designed to taunt ("dead dead dead"), but it's questionable whether this is applicable in the OP.

Good Lord!!!!

But after seeing some of the rulings issued by your local board interpreter, I gotta say that I ain't really surprised. Amazed? Yup. But not surprised.

Lah me....

That particular tactic, while it might be personally irritating, is accepted as being just that....only personally irritating. It is one helluva stretch to call it unsporting.

But if it'll make you feel any better, Nevada is proud of your interpreter for standing up for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

Lah.....me....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

POE #1 Rules Enforcement
POE #2 Sporting Behavior

So if one believe that the action constitutes unsporting behavior, why would one not make the call? Is there a fear of what someone else thinks?

A cranky, old poster would say that anyone who officiates that way might as well shove the whistle up his backside.

You mean this one?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

OOO

I was going to suggest that cranky old poster would also say not to be the only official in your area making this call.

Fortunately, I read to the end of the thread before commenting this morning:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

But if what you believe is right is actually considered completely and totally wrong by accepted officiating practice, then a good assignor will put your OOO azz into middle school games where you can't further embarrass him or his association.

I'm a good assignor. You might work for me again but it sureashell wouldn't be in a meaningful game if you ever pulled crap like that and insisted you'd do it again under the same circumstances.

There really does exist what is known as the "expected call". And the expected call in this particular case sureashell ain't an unsporting "T".

My personal recommendation is to check with your local rules interpreter before even thinking of following Nevada's advice on this one. That might just save you a future ton of grief.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

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We are instructed here to T up repeated yelling when it's obviously designed to taunt ("dead dead dead"), but it's questionable whether this is applicable in the OP.

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If you are really paying attention while you officiate you would notice the "dead, dead, dead" yell means that the ball-handler no longer can dribble the ball.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Amazed? Yup. But not surprised.

Reminds me of a joke:

Daniel Webster is sitting in his home office and has his secretary on his lap. His wife walks in, sees the situation, and declares, "Daniel! I'm surprised!"

Webster replies, "No, my dear, it is I who am surprised. You are astonished!"

Be here all week.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by bainsey

We are instructed here to T up repeated yelling when it's obviously designed to taunt ("dead dead dead"), but it's questionable whether this is applicable in the OP. "

Here, we know the difference between basketball and golf.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you are really paying attention while you officiate you would notice the "dead, dead, dead" yell means that the ball-handler no longer can dribble the ball.

Yes, we know that. The question, as I've been told, is whether the defender is communicating with his team, or taunting his opponent. Why say "dead" more than twice? What's his purpose?

Truthfully, I see "dead dead dead" or "ball ball ball" very rarely in these parts. I believe word has gotten out that can be a T, so the coaches and players have adapted.

Simply put, when in Rome. If you guys do something differently elsewhere, then fine. Adapt to the world in which you are. The ultimate need for your basketball community is that everyone is on the same page where you live and serve. I may not agree with some of the things I'm taught, but I'll follow through on the instructions, as the bigger picture is consistency in the locale. I'm not so arrogant that I believe that my way is the only way to call a game.

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Lah me....

Lah.....me....

JR I have wondered for a while what "Lah me" means. I just looked it up in the online urban dictionary.

Here is the definition:
Arabic for meat. Without lahme no one can live because lahme is the best creation in za universe if the lahme not exist zen i will just curse.

This does not seem to fit. A little help please.