Goaltending???

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't have my FED books handy, but I don't think that's the correct parsing of the rule (iirc, it's one of those rules with multiple "or" clauses and it could be unclear to which the "while" clause applies).

It is but the other clauses aren't relevant here.

A player shall not illegally contact the backboard/ring by:

b. Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It is but the other clauses aren't relevant here.

Parse it this way:

b. (1)Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or
(2)causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket.

IOW, it's only the "causing the ring to vibrate" part that deals with a try in flight or touching the backborad, ...

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Parse it this way:

b. (1)Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or
(2)causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket.

IOW, it's only the "causing the ring to vibrate" part that deals with a try in flight or touching the backborad, ...

It can be read that way, but then the comment from 10.3.4 doesn't make any sense as there would never be a need to use 10-3-6 for the T.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

It can be read that way, but then the comment from 10.3.4 doesn't make any sense as there would never be a need to use 10-3-6 for the T.

How does the entire comment for 10.3.4 read and how does 10-3-6 read?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How does the entire comment for 10.3.4 read and how does 10-3-6 read?

Here:

Originally Posted by 10.3.4

The purpose of the rule is to penalize intentional contact with the board while a shot or try is involved or placing a hand on the backboard to gain an advantage. A player who strikes either backboard so forcefully it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration may be assessed a technical foul pursuant to Rule 10-3-6.

Rule 10-3-6 doesn't even address the backboard, this is included in the "not limited to" portion of 10-3-6.

In practice, I can't imagine any time a player would slap the backboard without a try involved that wouldn't be ruled a technical foul. It's either an attempt to draw attention, or vent frustration. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen (never say never or always), I just can't imagine it.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here:

Rule 10-3-6 doesn't even address the backboard, this is included in the "not limited to" portion of 10-3-6.

In practice, I can't imagine any time a player would slap the backboard without a try involved that wouldn't be ruled a technical foul. It's either an attempt to draw attention, or vent frustration. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen (never say never or always), I just can't imagine it.

I'm primarily thinking of a situation where the ball has already passed below the level of the rim so the try has ended.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I'm primarily thinking of a situation where the ball has already passed below the level of the rim so the try has ended.

The try may be over here, but it's still involved in the play.

I'm picturing one of two scenarios:
1. Try on the way down, B1 slaps the other side of the backboard. T
2. Try on the way down, B1 slaps the same side of the backboard. I'll likely assume he was trying to either block it or get the rebound.

For #1, I'd obviously use 10-3-6, but frankly, the coach isn't going to ask for a rule reference when you ring up his player for this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Parse it this way:

b. (1)Intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or
(2)causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or in the cylinder above the basket.

IOW, it's only the "causing the ring to vibrate" part that deals with a try in flight or touching the backborad, ...

That's the way I've always interpreted.

But I do want to know the wording for the "unsporting" act East is referring to. I still have 90 minutes before I can get to my books.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That's the way I've always interpreted.

But I do want to know the wording for the "unsporting" act East is referring to. I still have 90 minutes before I can get to my books.

The only wording on unsporting slapping comes from 10.3.4 Comment. It's not address directly in 10-3-6. Slightly paraphrased

"draw[ing] attention to [yourself] or [as] a means of venting frustration" (10.3.4 Comment)