end of UConn-Baylor: shot-clock violation?

[AHSAA_Ref]

I see. I guess it makes sense that way.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

I apologize for being disagreeing in my first post ever, but please explain.

If the horn sounds while the ball is in the air and the defensive team grabs the rebound, why is it a shot clock violation?

You have to ask yourself, "Self, what is the violation for?" The violation is for failing to comply with the rules regarding the shot clock. And those rules make no provision for disregarding the violation if the non-shooting team gets the rebound.

NCAA 9-11.2 "It is a violation when a try for field goal does not leave the shooter’s hand before the expiration of the allotted shot-clock time or a try does not subsequently strike the ring or flange or enter the basket."

A.R. 225. A1 releases the ball on a try for goal. After the ball leaves A1’s hand(s), the shot-clock horn sounds. The ball:
(2) Hits the backboard and rebounds directly to A2 or B1 without hitting the ring or flange;
RULING:
(2) A shot-clock violation by Team A has occurred because the try did not hit the ring or flange. The referee shall sound the whistle, and the ball shall be awarded to Team B at a designated spot nearest to where the violation occurred. (Rule 9-11.2)

[pizanno]

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

[Back In The Saddle]

Ummm...what Bob said. Never argue with Bob.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by pizanno

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

If it's close, then (generally) go with "B got the rebound first"

But, if it's clear, ...

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by pizanno

total agreement with the rule interpretations, though i see it happen so often where the violation is not called if the defense rebounds the airball.

Sometimes it's difficult to tell whether the horn came before the rebounder secured control of the ball, in which case I'll err on the side of letting play continue. But I've also had crew chiefs who pre-gamed that if the non-shooting team gets the rebound after the horn we're not going to whistle the violation.

[AHSAA_Ref]

The only problem I have with that, and in the NCAA it could be different, but nobody is in control of the ball when the ball leaves the shooters hands. It is no longer controlled by Team A and when Team B grabs the ball, there should be no violation.

I see the rule. I understand. And I know NCAA and NF rules are totally different. But it seems like this should be consistent.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

The only problem I have with that, and in the NCAA it could be different, but nobody is in control of the ball when the ball leaves the shooters hands. It is no longer controlled by Team A and when Team B grabs the ball, there should be no violation.

I see the rule. I understand. And I know NCAA and NF rules are totally different. But it seems like this should be consistent.

It's a little difficult to be consistent on this rule when the NF doesn't have a shot clock.

[AHSAA_Ref]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. Team control rules should be more consistent...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

Perhaps I wasn't clear. Team control rules should be more consistent...

They are pretty consistent. The only difference between the two is during a throw-in.

[AHSAA_Ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

They are pretty consistent. The only difference between the two is during a throw-in.

Then if Team A is not in control of the basketball, how can they be called for a shot clock violation after the ball is released if Team B gets the rebound?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

Then if Team A is not in control of the basketball, how can they be called for a shot clock violation after the ball is released if Team B gets the rebound?

Because in some instances the violation occurs before Team B secures the rebound. Might make a 1/2 a second to full second difference on the game clock.

[AHSAA_Ref]

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

[AHSAA_Ref]

I digress. I'm not going to change the rule...so...who cares?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

But if the horn goes off and the shot hits the rim, it's not a violation. The violation occurred mid-shot, why not stop the play for a violation? See what I mean. There's no consistency in that rule.

I reject your notion of consistency, and substitute my own.