SIU Time Out

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not accusing the official of lying.

I'm just stating what I think could have happened. Never once did I say this is what happened. I've been trying to think about all the possible situations and explanations.

I've been in loud arenas before, and I can only imagine what the noise is like down on the floor at the end of a close game. I never accused the official of anything, because you're right. I have no hard evidence. Neither do you. I'm just hashing out the possibilities.

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

Snaq you're exactly right. Where's the crime in this? Why are you getting on me for throwing possibilities out there? That's all I'm doing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Snaq you're exactly right. Where's the crime in this? Why are you getting on me for throwing possibilities out there? That's all I'm doing.

No crime, fanboy. Officials expect that treatment. It comes with the territory.

And we officials are territorial.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No crime, fanboy. Officials expect that treatment. It comes with the territory.

And we officials are territorial.

Damn right we are. I just don't get why nobody else can acknowledge the fact that there are other possibilities. We don't get everything right all the time.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Damn right we are. I just don't get why nobody else can acknowledge the fact that there are other possibilities. We don't get everything right all the time.

If we know that an official screwed up, we do discuss it, see if we can learn from it and maybe even dump a l'il on the poor goober that screwed up. We all screw up at some time; that's a given.

What most of usually don't do is crap on any official without hearing their side of the story or having some kinda actual proof that they really did screw up.

Try putting yourself in that official's position. You may have made the absolutely correct call in your mind and know for a fact that a TO was requested by the team that didn't have one left, but people are crapping on you without asking you for the details. Or, if you do give someone the details, they just simply say "I don't believe that", just like you're doing now.

That's where we're coming from.

[stiffler3492]

I'm right with you guys. No doubt about it.

All I'm doing is throwing out possible explanations for what happened...nothing more. I'm done arguing about this because I've said all I can say.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm right with you guys. No doubt about it.

All I'm doing is throwing out possible explanations for what happened...nothing more. I'm done arguing about this because I've said all I can say.

I can ask one of the officials directly if you like. I did not see the game and there is no guarantee that person will tell me what happened as they are not obligated. But I sure can ask.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Snaq you're exactly right. Where's the crime in this? Why are you getting on me for throwing possibilities out there? That's all I'm doing.

Honestly, because you're dumping on an official without evidence. You have the "right" to do it, and I have the "right" to call you out for it. There's nothing that suggests the officials' story is anything less than truthful, so why offer conjecture that casts them as dishonest and incompetent? I just don't understand that desire.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

You forgot "He might have had money on the game. He might have graduated from the other school. He might have had a grudge against the coach. He might have been trying to make a "make-up" call."

No, stiffler didn't say any of those. But they're all in the same vein.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You forgot "He might have had money on the game. He might have graduated from the other school. He might have had a grudge against the coach. He might have been trying to make a "make-up" call."

No, stiffler didn't say any of those. But they're all in the same vein.

To be fair, it's possible he was thinking those things. There's no proof he wasn't.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To be fair, it's possible he was thinking those things. There's no proof he wasn't.

Let me defend myself. I know better than to think an official has money on a certain game, or doesn't like a certain coach. I have no ties to either school...I was simply happy to be watching basketball in the morning.

[Adam]

The difference is you're here to defend yourself from my wild and unfounded accusations.

[zm1283]

FWIW, I was on SIU's message board today and one of their fans said that he heard one of their guys call the timeout. You can also see Fay from SIU (tall white guy) put his hands on his face and shake his head as soon as the timeout is granted because he knew they had screwed the pooch.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

FWIW, I was on SIU's message board today and one of their fans said that he heard one of their guys call the timeout. You can also see Fay from SIU (tall white guy) put his hands on his face and shake his head as soon as the timeout is granted because he knew they had screwed the pooch.

Amazing. Maybe, just maybe, it wasn't the official's fault.

Stiffler, how many posts do you think you would you have made in this thread if you had information like that beforehand?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by zm1283

FWIW, I was on SIU's message board today and one of their fans said that he heard one of their guys call the timeout. You can also see Fay from SIU (tall white guy) put his hands on his face and shake his head as soon as the timeout is granted because he knew they had screwed the pooch.

Do you have a video link?