SIU Time Out

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What explanation? Was there a press release verifying official told the table this?

The announcers got that from the scorer's table.

An excessive timeout technical is an administrative technical foul, charged to the team. Why did they put the player in the box score as having been charged a technical?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The announcers got that from the scorer's table.

An excessive timeout technical is an administrative technical foul, charged to the team. Why did they put the player in the box score as having been charged a technical?

Maybe the person at the scorer's table that screwed up so badly when he told the announcers that they weren't sure which player called the TO also screwed up again by entering the "T" in the book wrong. After viewing the video, I'd say that's a helluva lot more likely than the official screwing it up. Don't let that stop you though. Carry on crapping on the officials withoud a shred of proof that they screwed up in any way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The announcers got that from the scorer's table.

An excessive timeout technical is an administrative technical foul, charged to the team. Why did they put the player in the box score as having been charged a technical?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Maybe the person at the scorer's table that screwed up so badly when he told the announcers that they weren't sure which player called the TO also screwed up again by entering the "T" in the book wrong. After viewing the video, I'd say that's a helluva lot more likely than the official screwing it up. Don't let that stop you though. Carry on crapping on the officials withoud a shred of proof that they screwed up in any way.

I'm with the old guy on this one; a table screw up on how to apply the T is far more likely. Even if they screwed the admin part up, no big deal except to the assigners and evaluators in this case.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Maybe the person at the scorer's table that screwed up so badly when he told the announcers that they weren't sure which player called the TO also screwed up again by entering the "T" in the book wrong. After viewing the video, I'd say that's a helluva lot more likely than the official screwing it up. Don't let that stop you though. Carry on crapping on the officials withoud a shred of proof that they screwed up in any way.

Keep thinking what you want man, I'm not crapping on anyone.

[Back In The Saddle]

My thoughts, in order they occur:

* Ouch!
* At least they owned up to it
* In a time critical situation you want to be very, very aware of any time out request
* That "hyper awareness" can sometimes get you into trouble
* I have stopped play for a phantom time out request at the end of a one point game once (see Ouch! comment above)
* Might we be better off by delaying just slightly to ensure there is actually a request, then putting time back on the clock? It seems in this case we have an relatively good remedy (good remedy = easily sellable and high likelihood of the remedy being accepted without incident) for a delay in granting a time out, but no good remedy for a whistle for a phantom request.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Intersting play at the end of the SIU/Northeastern game.
With about 3 seconds left to SIU players come up with a rebound. The L official blows his whistle and signals TO SIU. One problem, SIU does not have a TO. Video shows no SIU player making a TO signal. The officials huddle and tell the SIU coach that they heard "someone" from SIU call TO. Technical on SIU, N'eastern hits one.
Thoughts?

I think...no, I know...that the recap and the boxscore both show that Mamadou Seck of SIU got charged with the "T".

Whereinthehell is the problem? Very obviously the official knew which player to charge with the "T".

Allen free throw gives Northeastern 63-62 OT win - College Basketball - Rivals.com

[chartrusepengui]

Perhaps I missed something in reading posts - but while some might think the official lied could it not be true that a player did request a TO - then realize they didn't have any left and then say they never requested a TO?

Nah, that would never happen either!

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I think...no, I know...that the recap and the boxscore both show that Mamadou Seck of SIU got charged with the "T".

Whereinthehell is the problem? Very obviously the official knew which player to charge with the "T".

Allen free throw gives Northeastern 63-62 OT win - College Basketball - Rivals.com

I was going with the quote from the officials at the time of the play.

[comical]

Based on the Northeastern-SIU game, a Sporting News writer thinks the NCAA should use the FIBA rule for calling timeouts. Here's part of the column, followed by the link.


"What occurred in Carbondale appeared to be a lousy application of an abominable rule.

This result ought to push the NCAA rules committee toward adopting FIBA rules on timeouts, which are much more reasonable, lead to a more attractive game and also avoid making scapegoats out of players like Webber and whomever allegedly was at fault for SIU."



NCAA should change its timeout rule - NCAA Basketball - Sporting News

[pizanno]

If the timeout wasn't granted, looked like a travel to me.

interested point about changing the timeout rule to the FIBA rule. Would certainly make officials life easier.

[Spence]

YouTube - NU vs SIU - Nov 16th, 2010

If someone already posted this video I didn't see it.

[AHSAA_Ref]

#2 signaled T.O. It's clear as day. My bet is he said it, too.

[JRutledge]

Two players called for a timeout.

Peace

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref

#2 signaled T.O. It's clear as day. My bet is he said it, too.

I'll lay my wager (ahem) on #0. Think about it. If you've ever been in a similar end-of-game situation, you should be focused on the ball, as the lead was here. He's looking straight at #0 (and his teammate) and does not hesitate one iota. If #2 calls timeout, i would expect the lead to at least look in his direction.

[AHSAA_Ref]

Perhaps they both called it. But #2 signaled with his hands. No doubt.