SIU Time Out

[Judtech]

Intersting play at the end of the SIU/Northeastern game.
With about 3 seconds left to SIU players come up with a rebound. The L official blows his whistle and signals TO SIU. One problem, SIU does not have a TO. Video shows no SIU player making a TO signal. The officials huddle and tell the SIU coach that they heard "someone" from SIU call TO. Technical on SIU, N'eastern hits one.
Thoughts?

[Adam]

My thought: seems to me if I'm going to issue a technical foul, it would benefit me to be able to identify the person who requested the TO. But for the record, the hand signal is not required for this.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My thought: seems to me if I'm going to issue a technical foul, it would benefit me to be able to identify the person who requested the TO. But for the record, the hand signal is not required for this.

My thought as well. The official not being able to identify the player who requested it punches some holes in his story.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

My thought as well. The official not being able to identify the player who requested it punches some holes in his story.

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

[GoodwillRef]

During SIU last timeout we got together as a crew and let each other know that SIU had no more timeouts...why with :03 left would we acknowledge a timeout from SIU unless it is totally visual (because you know it will result in a technical foul!)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

During SIU last timeout we got together as a crew and let each other know that SIU had no more timeouts...why with :03 left would we acknowledge a timeout from SIU unless it is totally visual (because you know it will result in a technical foul!)?

Maybe because it's the rule, and if the player requests it, you grant it; regardless of whether it's visual.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

From the way I've read your post in this thread, the official pointed directly at the player when he granted it. Forgetting the number and face later, even seconds later, is not uncommon. But I'll bet he doesn't forget again.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

I'm not accusing the official of lying.

I'm just stating what I think could have happened. Never once did I say this is what happened. I've been trying to think about all the possible situations and explanations.

I've been in loud arenas before, and I can only imagine what the noise is like down on the floor at the end of a close game. I never accused the official of anything, because you're right. I have no hard evidence. Neither do you. I'm just hashing out the possibilities.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

There is a lot of wisdom in this statement. I think it may have gotten lost in all of the other back and forth.
Had a TO request tonite during a quasi fast break. Coach asked me who called it and was able to give her the number. Saved a lot of grief. Aren't we supposed to give the number of the player calling the TO? i.e. "White 23 Time Out. Full"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

There is a lot of wisdom in this statement. I think it may have gotten lost in all of the other back and forth.
Had a TO request tonite during a quasi fast break. Coach asked me who called it and was able to give her the number. Saved a lot of grief. Aren't we supposed to give the number of the player calling the TO? i.e. "White 23 Time Out. Full"?

Yes, we are supposed to. Last year, the two times I had players request TOs, I instinctively reported them to the table as "C".

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My thought: seems to me if I'm going to issue a technical foul, it would benefit me to be able to identify the person who requested the TO. But for the record, the hand signal is not required for this.

Agreed. But it would have been nice to see a player making a "T" sign for the viewers at home!

[stiffler3492]

Just finished watching that. Interesting situation. Looking at the replay, the official grants a timeout request, then points to the player who apparently requested it.

There looked to be no visual request for a timeout. The official told the table that "He heard someone from SIU yell timeout"

The announcers thought it might have been #2 for SIU, who was standing next to the official who eventually granted the TO. He started to make a visual request, but I thought that came after the official had granted the TO.

Something about the officials' explanation doesn't sit well with me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

The official told the table that "He heard someone from SIU yell timeout"

And you think that the official is a liar? What basis do you have for that conclusion except your very own take on the play, a take that is not supported by a shred of evidence to back it up btw.

Maybe it's just me, but I always like to go along with an official unless there's evidence that he actually did screw up. And I haven't read anything factual so far in this thread proving that he did so, just conjecture. Y'all go ahead and dump on the guy though. Personally I'll wait until I find out if there really is a reason to dump on him though.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Just finished watching that. Interesting situation. Looking at the replay, the official grants a timeout request, then points to the player who apparently requested it.

There looked to be no visual request for a timeout. The official told the table that "He heard someone from SIU yell timeout"

The announcers thought it might have been #2 for SIU, who was standing next to the official who eventually granted the TO. He started to make a visual request, but I thought that came after the official had granted the TO.

Something about the officials' explanation doesn't sit well with me.

What explanation? Was there a press release verifying official told the table this?