SIU Time Out

[Adam]

My thought: seems to me if I'm going to issue a technical foul, it would benefit me to be able to identify the person who requested the TO. But for the record, the hand signal is not required for this.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My thought: seems to me if I'm going to issue a technical foul, it would benefit me to be able to identify the person who requested the TO. But for the record, the hand signal is not required for this.

My thought as well. The official not being able to identify the player who requested it punches some holes in his story.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

My thought as well. The official not being able to identify the player who requested it punches some holes in his story.

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

[GoodwillRef]

During SIU last timeout we got together as a crew and let each other know that SIU had no more timeouts...why with :03 left would we acknowledge a timeout from SIU unless it is totally visual (because you know it will result in a technical foul!)?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

During SIU last timeout we got together as a crew and let each other know that SIU had no more timeouts...why with :03 left would we acknowledge a timeout from SIU unless it is totally visual (because you know it will result in a technical foul!)?

Maybe because it's the rule, and if the player requests it, you grant it; regardless of whether it's visual.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

From the way I've read your post in this thread, the official pointed directly at the player when he granted it. Forgetting the number and face later, even seconds later, is not uncommon. But I'll bet he doesn't forget again.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

From the way I've read your post in this thread, the official pointed directly at the player when he granted it. Forgetting the number and face later, even seconds later, is not uncommon. But I'll bet he doesn't forget again.

Possibly. I'll also contend that the players mouth could be moving, but he didn't actually say "timeout".

I'd be interested to hear what SIU's coach had to say about the explanation he got. I'm sure a reporter put the bait out there, it's just a matter of whether or not Lowery bit.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Possibly. I'll also contend that the players mouth could be moving, but he didn't actually say "timeout".

I'd be interested to hear what SIU's coach had to say about the explanation he got. I'm sure a reporter put the bait out there, it's just a matter of whether or not Lowery bit.

Until evidence shows otherwise, I'll choose to believe the explanation that is more charitable to the officials involved (both their competence and their integrity). You seem willing to question one or both; based on what?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not doubting that he heard the word "timeout" come from someone, somewhere. Could have been the crowd behind him. Maybe it was a savvy opponent who knew that SIU had no timeouts left?

I'm not accusing the official of lying.

I'm just stating what I think could have happened. Never once did I say this is what happened. I've been trying to think about all the possible situations and explanations.

I've been in loud arenas before, and I can only imagine what the noise is like down on the floor at the end of a close game. I never accused the official of anything, because you're right. I have no hard evidence. Neither do you. I'm just hashing out the possibilities.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm not accusing the official of lying.

I'm just stating what I think could have happened. Never once did I say this is what happened. I've been trying to think about all the possible situations and explanations.

I've been in loud arenas before, and I can only imagine what the noise is like down on the floor at the end of a close game. I never accused the official of anything, because you're right. I have no hard evidence. Neither do you. I'm just hashing out the possibilities.

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

Snaq you're exactly right. Where's the crime in this? Why are you getting on me for throwing possibilities out there? That's all I'm doing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're saying he might have lied, then, based on nothing but conjecture.

Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable.

"It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong."

Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request?

If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him.

You forgot "He might have had money on the game. He might have graduated from the other school. He might have had a grudge against the coach. He might have been trying to make a "make-up" call."

No, stiffler didn't say any of those. But they're all in the same vein.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not really holes, it just makes it harder to sell later when the proverbial fan gets dirty. I still have a hard time identifying players who request TO, since they do it so rarely I don't get much practice.

There is a lot of wisdom in this statement. I think it may have gotten lost in all of the other back and forth.
Had a TO request tonite during a quasi fast break. Coach asked me who called it and was able to give her the number. Saved a lot of grief. Aren't we supposed to give the number of the player calling the TO? i.e. "White 23 Time Out. Full"?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

There is a lot of wisdom in this statement. I think it may have gotten lost in all of the other back and forth.
Had a TO request tonite during a quasi fast break. Coach asked me who called it and was able to give her the number. Saved a lot of grief. Aren't we supposed to give the number of the player calling the TO? i.e. "White 23 Time Out. Full"?

Yes, we are supposed to. Last year, the two times I had players request TOs, I instinctively reported them to the table as "C".