Out of bounds call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by random

A1 saves a ball heading out of bounds and hit B1 who was standing out of bounds. I was told that it would be B1's team ball because B1, already established out of bounds, is considered out of play as if he were a pole or a bench.

See NFHS rule 7-2-!&2.

[random]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

See NFHS rule 7-2-!&2.

Well, that's the thing, I'm not an official, just a player who plays pickup ball with a guy who carries a rulebook with these and seems like he's pretty knowledgeable when it comes to rules, but I respect the game and everything you guys do, so I trust your words over his.

I'm reading old posts and it just boggles my mind how much rules there are in the game. Some could be pretty useful. Maybe I'll call a few of them if I see them.

EDIT: I got a hold of the NCAA rulebook and looked up that rule reference and came up with this:

Section 2. Ball Caused to Go Out of Bounds
Art. 1. The ball shall be caused to go out of bounds by the last player to
touch or to be touched by the ball before the ball goes out,provided that
the ball is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player
who is out of bounds
Art. 2. When the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched
by a player who is on or outside a boundary, such player shall have caused
the ball to go out of bounds.

Can someone interpret that for me, please? I find the wording of it all to be very difficult to understand. Thanks, gents.

[mbyron]

NFHS 7-2-2 is substantially the same as Article 2 of the college rule: if a player (somebody in the game, not a sub or somebody sitting on the bench) is out of bounds and touches the ball, that player caused the ball to be out of bounds.

I can't tell from your description whether B1 touched the ball or whether he's a player in the proper sense. If so, then B caused the ball to go OOB, and it would be A's ball for a throw-in.

[BillyMac]

Many, many years ago, during a throwin, if throwin player A1 released the ball on a throwin pass that subsequently touched B1, who was out of bounds, then A1 was charged with causing the ball to go out of bounds, and the ball was awarded to B1. If I recall properly, this was a throwin violation, and B1 got the ball at the original spot of the throwin. Of course this was so long ago that I'm a little "foggy" regarding the details. I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be along shortly to confirm, or deny, this for us. Of course, it's getting a little cold up in his attic so I'm not sure that's he's up to climbing up the stairs to get his old rule books to check out my interpretation.

[so cal lurker]

Art 1 is the normal case -- last person to touch before it goes OOB means the other team gets the throw.

It's art 2 that applies to your scenario, and really just says if you are OOB when touching or touched by the ball, the other team gets the throw:

When the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched
by a player who is on or outside a boundary [this is B1 in your scnario], such player [B1] shall have caused the ball to go out of bounds [meaning the other team, A, gets the throw in.

Originally Posted by random

Well, that's the thing, I'm not an official, just a player who plays pickup ball with a guy who carries a rulebook with these and seems like he's pretty knowledgeable when it comes to rules, but I respect the game and everything you guys do, so I trust your words over his.

I'm reading old posts and it just boggles my mind how much rules there are in the game. Some could be pretty useful. Maybe I'll call a few of them if I see them.

EDIT: I got a hold of the NCAA rulebook and looked up that rule reference and came up with this:

Section 2. Ball Caused to Go Out of Bounds
Art. 1. The ball shall be caused to go out of bounds by the last player to
touch or to be touched by the ball before the ball goes out,provided that
the ball is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player
who is out of bounds
Art. 2. When the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched
by a player who is on or outside a boundary, such player shall have caused
the ball to go out of bounds.

Can someone interpret that for me, please? I find the wording of it all to be very difficult to understand. Thanks, gents.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by random

Well, that's the thing, I'm not an official, just a player who plays pickup ball with a guy who carries a rulebook with these and seems like he's pretty knowledgeable when it comes to rules, but I respect the game and everything you guys do, so I trust your words over his.

I'm reading old posts and it just boggles my mind how much rules there are in the game. Some could be pretty useful. Maybe I'll call a few of them if I see them.

EDIT: I got a hold of the NCAA rulebook and looked up that rule reference and came up with this:

Section 2. Ball Caused to Go Out of Bounds
Art. 1. The ball shall be caused to go out of bounds by the last player to
touch or to be touched by the ball before the ball goes out,provided that
the ball is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player
who is out of bounds
Art. 2. When the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched
by a player who is on or outside a boundary, such player shall have caused
the ball to go out of bounds.

Can someone interpret that for me, please? I find the wording of it all to be very difficult to understand. Thanks, gents.

bottom line: "causing the ball to go out of bounds" is the violation.