NFHS Case Book Contradiction?

[pop_ey]

What is answer to following?

A2 jumps from his/her frontcourt and taps A1’s throw-in into the backcourt. A1 is the first to touch the ball. Official rules it a backcourt violation. Correct Ruling?

Case 4.12.6 (b) seems to contradict with Case 9.9.1 Situation D and E.

4.12.6 SITUATION: During a throw-in by A1 from the end line by A’s basket (b) the throw-in is touched by A2 before it goes across the division line where it is recovered by A3. RULING: There is no a backcourt rule in effect in (b) during a throw-in. The throw-in ends in (b) when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A3 gains control. (9-7, 8)

9.9.1 SITUATION E: A1 inbounds the ball at the division line; A2 jumps from thefrontcourt, controls the ball in the air, and while still in the air passes it to A3, who is in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The throw-in exception only applies to the player initially receiving the throw-in pass (first touch).

[BLydic]

I'm not seeing the contradiction. You have an inbound pass that hasn't been controlled versus one that has been controlled.

[Adam]

You need to ask yourself if a tap constitutes legal control.

[Mark Padgett]

"Touched" is not the same as "holding or dribbling", which is part of the definition of player control, which is what establishes team control.

[Nevadaref]

There is no contradiction. Both case plays provide correct rulings.
The situations are simply different.
As others have noted touched is not the same and caught and passed.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by pop_ey

What is answer to following?

A2 jumps from his/her frontcourt and taps A1’s throw-in into the backcourt. A1 is the first to touch the ball. Official rules it a backcourt violation. Correct Ruling?

Case 4.12.6 (b) seems to contradict with Case 9.9.1 Situation D and E.

4.12.6 SITUATION: During a throw-in by A1 from the end line by A’s basket (b) the throw-in is touched by A2 before it goes across the division line where it is recovered by A3. RULING: There is no a backcourt rule in effect in (b) during a throw-in. The throw-in ends in (b) when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A3 gains control. (9-7, 8)

9.9.1 SITUATION E: A1 inbounds the ball at the division line; A2 jumps from thefrontcourt, controls the ball in the air, and while still in the air passes it to A3, who is in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation. COMMENT: The throw-in exception only applies to the player initially receiving the throw-in pass (first touch).

Team control exists in 9.9.1E. There is no team control in 4.12.6.

[pop_ey]

That was the way I had understood it also that team control had to be established first. But Case 9.9.1 Situation D there is no team control but it says "The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1."

9.9.1 SITUATION D: Team A is awarded a throw-in near the division line. A1's
throw-in is deflected by B1; A2 jumps from Team A’s frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1. A2 gains player and team control in the air after having left the floor from Team A’s frontcourt, therefore having frontcourt status. As soon as A2 lands in the backcourt, he/she has committed a backcourt violation. The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-3).

This case says that the "exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends (legal touch not team control) and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball."

Is this not contradicting the others?

[mbyron]

You're confusing the issue of team control with the specific exception to the backcourt violation granted during a throw-in.

One case discusses whether a violation has occurred based on whether team control has been established.

Another case discusses whether a violation has occurred based on whether the touches happen during a throw-in, which is covered by a specific exception.

No contradiction.

[pop_ey]

Okay let me see if I have this straight in my thick skull.

4.12.6 SITUATION: During a throw-in by A1 from the end line by A’s basket (b) the throw-in is touched by A2 before it goes across the division line where it is recovered by A3. RULING: There is no a backcourt rule in effect in (b) during a throw-in. The throw-in ends in (b) when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A3 gains control. (9-7, 8)

9.9.1 SITUATION D: Team A is awarded a throw-in near the division line. A1's
throw-in is deflected by B1; A2 jumps from Team A’s frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1. A2 gains player and team control in the air after having left the floor from Team A’s frontcourt, therefore having frontcourt status. As soon as A2 lands in the backcourt, he/she has committed a backcourt violation. The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-3)
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In 4.12.6 the throw in ended and the exception ended when touched by A2. However A3 gained conrol of it in Back Court not in front court. So not a back court since it wasn't in control in the front court.

In 9.9.1 D: Since A2 gains contol of ball while having frontcourt status, and the throw end exception had ended, it is backcourt when A2 lands in back court. Had the ball never been touched before A2 gaining control then it would not had been a backcourt when A2 landed as the exception granted during a throw in had not ended.

Thinking out loud! Think I have it now. Thanks.

[pop_ey]

[QUOTE=pop_ey;698865]What is answer to following?

A2 jumps from his/her frontcourt and taps A1’s throw-in into the backcourt. A1 is the first to touch the ball. Official rules it a backcourt violation. Correct Ruling?

So to answer my own question. This would be False.
A2's tap of ball ended the throw end and exception, but team control was first gained in back court so no backcourt violation.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by pop_ey

In 4.12.6 the throw in ended and the exception ended when touched by A2. However A3 gained control of it in Back Court not in front court. So not a back court since there was no team control when the ball was touched in the frontcourt it wasn't in control in the front court.

In 9.9.1 D: Since A2 gains control of ball while having frontcourt status, and the throw-in exception had ended, it is backcourt when A2 lands in back court. Had the ball never been touched before A2 gaining control then it would not had been a backcourt when A2 landed as the exception granted during a throw in had not ended.

Thinking out loud! Think I have it now. Thanks.

Correct as amended.