NCAA Correctable Error Scenario

[amckell]

First-time poster, long time reader here...

Some fellow officials and I were discussing the following scenario:

A2 is erroneously awarded a 1-1 and makes both free throws. Team B inbounds the ball and dribbles to midcourt and calls a timeout. During the timeout, it's discovered that A2 was awarded unmerited free throws. What happens next?

This appears to be a correctable error, since the error was discovered during the 1st dead ball after the ball went live. So, the free-throws would be canceled, and Team A would be awarded a throw-in at mid-court, which was the point of interruption when the error was discovered.

Sound reasonable? Some disagreed and thought the free-throws should count, followed by a Team B throw-in at mid-court. Not even going to try and explain their logic behind that.

I couldn't find a case play that matched that scenario, although there were a few that were close (Case book, pg11, A.R. 20.

Thoughts?

[Scrapper1]

Unfortunately, you all missed it. Hey, it happens.

The error is correctable, as you said, because it was discovered during the necessary time frame. So the question becomes how to correct it. The obvious part is to cancel the free throws that were erroneously awarded. So how do you resume play after the correction?

You resume at the point of interruption, unless you are shooting free throws that should have been awarded AND there's been no change of possession.

Since there WAS a change of possession, we resume at the POI, which in this case is throw-in for Team B, since they were entitled to the throw-in after the time-out.

And welcome to the forum. Hope you find it helpful!

[amckell]

Great explanation, and it makes sense. I do remember reading the part about change of possession, and that may have threw my off a bit, as to the who/where regarding the throw-in.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Unfortunately, you all missed it. Hey, it happens.

The error is correctable, as you said, because it was discovered during the necessary time frame. So the question becomes how to correct it. The obvious part is to cancel the free throws that were erroneously awarded. So how do you resume play after the correction?

You resume at the point of interruption, unless you are shooting free throws that should have been awarded AND there's been no change of possession.

Since there WAS a change of possession, we resume at the POI, which in this case is throw-in for Team B, since they were entitled to the throw-in after the time-out.

And welcome to the forum. Hope you find it helpful!

FIBA procedure is different and, I believe, fairer: in the OP's case the game is resumed, after canceling the free throws, with an AP throw-in.

Ciao

[Adam]

To me, the fairest fix in this situation would be to cancel the FTs and give the ball to A at the spot of the foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To me, the fairest fix in this situation would be to cancel the FTs and give the ball to A at the spot of the foul.

What if, instead, the FT was missed and B rebounded the ball. Do you still think it would be fair to go back and give A the ball?

Like the other CE scenarios, this puts a little responsibility on team A to ensure they're not taking FTs they don't deserve....becasue they could lose the FTs and the ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by amckell

I couldn't find a case play that matched that scenario, although there were a few that were close (Case book, pg11, A.R. 20.

Thoughts?

The NCAAW mechanics manual has a similar play as well. And, when they post the answers to the test, we'll all likely have the "right" answer.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What if, instead, the FT was missed and B rebounded the ball. Do you still think it would be fair to go back and give A the ball?

Like the other CE scenarios, this puts a little responsibility on team A to ensure they're not taking FTs they don't deserve....becasue they could lose the FTs and the ball.

So, instead, 'B' intentionally lets the free throws be shot then calls a time-out knowing that 'A' will lose its points and a possession.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So, instead, 'B' intentionally lets the free throws be shot then calls a time-out knowing that 'A' will lose its points and a possession.

Good point. But, do we really think someone is going to be, or even be aware that they could be, that devious?

Knowing you're getting FTs you don't deserve and letting it happen is one thing, but what you propose takes several stars to line up.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Good point. But, do we really think someone is going to be, or even be aware that they could be, that devious?

Knowing you're getting FTs you don't deserve and letting it happen is one thing, but what you propose takes several stars to line up.

My thing is, if we don't know, and the table doesn't know, why are we saying the coach SHOULD know? I've never bought that argument for why CE's are administered like they are.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My thing is, if we don't know, and the table doesn't know, why are we saying the coach SHOULD know? I've never bought that argument for why CE's are administered like they are.

If you can think of a better way, feel free to suggest it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you can think of a better way, feel free to suggest it.

On a couple of situations I've already suggested better alternatives in long ago threads.

But my main point is that the oft-cited argument about the coach "letting it happen" is riduculous, IMO.

[IREFU2]

NCCA-W - All points are erased and the ball is awarded to Team B at midcourt, which is the POI.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

NCCA-W - All points are erased and the ball is awarded to Team B at midcourt, which is the POI.

Is there any difference between the correctable error rules for Men and Women?

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Is there any difference between the correctable error rules for Men and Women?

Dont know, I always put the NCAA-W in my response because thats what I officiate, just incase there are any differences......my disclaimer......LOL!