Certified vs. non-certified

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think you misunderstood me. By "a call to the AD," I meant from the officials if there's a problem. This is one of those jobs the AD is only going to think about if there's a problem. He expects it to run smoothly because it's not rocket surgery (or brain science).
If there's a problem, the officials should contact the AD through their proper channels and let him perform any necessary remedial training (or have it done by a designee).

If the AD won't take care of the problem, then having some remedial training in place isn't going to solve it either; and your clock operator is likely the least of your worries for that game. I'd be willing to bet the other duties (game management) aren't being performed adequately either.

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

Okay, let me clarify again. The only way I'm addressing anything with the AD regardign the crew during the game is if they're being biased and beligerent; or just plain not paying attention. And then it's going to be to ask for a replacement.
Anything less than replacing them in game, I'll get word to him later, after I'm home, through the channels approved by my local association. He'll deal with it after the fact, not during the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, let me clarify again. The only way I'm addressing anything with the AD regardign the crew during the game is if they're being biased and beligerent; or just plain not paying attention. And then it's going to be to ask for a replacement.
Anything less than replacing them in game, I'll get word to him later, after I'm home, through the channels approved by my local association. He'll deal with it after the fact, not during the game.

Snaq, I knew what you were meaning.

Concerning not paying attention, especially since majority of my games are sub-varsity, I have to deal with that basically every game. Hence one reason why I've changed the table setup around when I am working as timer.

Also before the game or during dead ball periods I'll remind those that are disrupting the table that trying to work & need to focus on the game.

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4. However, I know that'll never happen.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4.

There's only one person needed when you're there.

SUPER CHSEAGLE!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's only one person needed when you're there.

SUPER CHSEAGLE!

Reminds me of Superhost!

[SCalScoreKeeper]

But doesn't everyone agree that there should be some consequence for table apathy/ineptitude such as losing your hosting privileges for the postseason or following year? Without that threat of lost revenue (ticket and snack bar sales) hanging over a school's head AD's can just leave the same mediocre crew in there without being asked to fix a problem.

We don't allow students to play if they are academically (or otherwise)ineligible-if they do that school needs to forefeit immediately.Why should we allow a school to host home games if their support team is not up to the task? What I propose-as highly unlikely as it is-if adopted makes schools accountable for the actions of their table crews.

[BillyMac]

chseagle, SCalScoreKeeper ...

Maybe there should be a Scorekeeping Forum?

[chseagle]

I whole-heartedly agree with your thinking.

I noticed last year during the one game that I was Varsity timer/scoreboard that the table was really on the ball on things getting done. However the times I have done varsity shot clock, there is a bit of lag time from reporting to posting of fouls on the board to making sure everyone's information was the same.

Everyone involved in the game needs to be held accountable, not just those on the court.

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

But doesn't everyone agree that there should be some consequence for table apathy/ineptitude such as losing your hosting privileges for the postseason or following year? Without that threat of lost revenue (ticket and snack bar sales) hanging over a school's head AD's can just leave the same mediocre crew in there without being asked to fix a problem.

We don't allow students to play if they are academically (or otherwise)ineligible-if they do that school needs to forefeit immediately.Why should we allow a school to host home games if their support team is not up to the task? What I propose-as highly unlikely as it is-if adopted makes schools accountable for the actions of their table crews.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4. However, I know that'll never happen.

So do the other three people.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So do the other three people.

OUCH! lol

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

And I wonder who is watching the table when you're not working.....???

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by zm1283

And I wonder who is watching the table when you're not working.....???

Either the AD or another designated person