Certified vs. non-certified

[Adam]

Again, the number of crews who can't handle this is so small that it's not really a problem. If a call to the AD doesn't solve the problem, I doubt any sort of remedial training is going to solve it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Again, the number of crews who can't handle this is so small that it's not really a problem. If a call to the AD doesn't solve the problem, I doubt any sort of remedial training is going to solve it.

For me. I've had no coaching/training from the AD, I've been teaching myself what I need to know. Although it would be nice if I did have another source to turn to, besides on here, for the rules/regulations & training.

I do agree that the number is small where there are significant incidents that do cause questioning to happen.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

For me. I've had no coaching/training from the AD, I've been teaching myself what I need to know. Although it would be nice if I did have another source to turn to, besides on here, for the rules/regulations & training.

I do agree that the number is small where there are significant incidents that do cause questioning to happen.

I think you misunderstood me. By "a call to the AD," I meant from the officials if there's a problem. This is one of those jobs the AD is only going to think about if there's a problem. He expects it to run smoothly because it's not rocket surgery (or brain science).
If there's a problem, the officials should contact the AD through their proper channels and let him perform any necessary remedial training (or have it done by a designee).

If the AD won't take care of the problem, then having some remedial training in place isn't going to solve it either; and your clock operator is likely the least of your worries for that game. I'd be willing to bet the other duties (game management) aren't being performed adequately either.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think you misunderstood me. By "a call to the AD," I meant from the officials if there's a problem. This is one of those jobs the AD is only going to think about if there's a problem. He expects it to run smoothly because it's not rocket surgery (or brain science).
If there's a problem, the officials should contact the AD through their proper channels and let him perform any necessary remedial training (or have it done by a designee).

If the AD won't take care of the problem, then having some remedial training in place isn't going to solve it either; and your clock operator is likely the least of your worries for that game. I'd be willing to bet the other duties (game management) aren't being performed adequately either.

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

Okay, let me clarify again. The only way I'm addressing anything with the AD regardign the crew during the game is if they're being biased and beligerent; or just plain not paying attention. And then it's going to be to ask for a replacement.
Anything less than replacing them in game, I'll get word to him later, after I'm home, through the channels approved by my local association. He'll deal with it after the fact, not during the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, let me clarify again. The only way I'm addressing anything with the AD regardign the crew during the game is if they're being biased and beligerent; or just plain not paying attention. And then it's going to be to ask for a replacement.
Anything less than replacing them in game, I'll get word to him later, after I'm home, through the channels approved by my local association. He'll deal with it after the fact, not during the game.

Snaq, I knew what you were meaning.

Concerning not paying attention, especially since majority of my games are sub-varsity, I have to deal with that basically every game. Hence one reason why I've changed the table setup around when I am working as timer.

Also before the game or during dead ball periods I'll remind those that are disrupting the table that trying to work & need to focus on the game.

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4. However, I know that'll never happen.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4.

There's only one person needed when you're there.

SUPER CHSEAGLE!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I really wish there were only 3 people at the table & not 4. However, I know that'll never happen.

So do the other three people.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning the AD or other game management personnel, when I am at the table, rarely is the AD or other non-table game management there watching every move I do.

However when I'm not working at the table, the table is being carefully watched.

From my experience the AD that was here a couple of years ago had a better sense of what needed to be done than the current one.

So basically, if there was a problem with table operations the remedial training would have to be done by someone outside the school/school district.

And I wonder who is watching the table when you're not working.....???

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by zm1283

And I wonder who is watching the table when you're not working.....???

Either the AD or another designated person