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Old Sun Sep 19, 2010, 07:38am
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Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?
Whatinthehell else could you expect the scorer to do?

Send a text message to the official's blackberry? Use little flags to semaphore in a sub? Send a singing telegram? Stand on the scorers table with a megaphone and shout "hey stoopid, I got a sub here to come in"? Use sign language? A starter's gun?
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Old Sun Sep 19, 2010, 07:44am
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Whatinthehell else could you expect the scorer to do?

Use little flags to semaphore in a sub?
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Old Sun Sep 19, 2010, 08:43am
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Damn, gotta love the Pythons. Thanks, Rich.

I'd love to see a scorer sending in smoke signals for a sub.

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Old Sun Sep 19, 2010, 08:11am
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Everything I am reading/understanding of the horn sounding is a courtesy, not required, for notifying of subs at the table.
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From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul. Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?
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Whatinthehell else could you expect the scorer to do?
I was trying to find a NFHS reference to a required procedure of sounding a horn to signal for substitutions. I didn't spend to much time looking, so I might have missed something, but I was surprised that the one and only reference I found was in the NFHS Instructions To Scorers. I could find no other reference in the rulebook or casebook. I was also surprised that it is a negative reference, that is, "should not signal". I would have thought that the NFHS would have a procedure as to when to properly signal for a substitution. I'm sure that I have overlooked something in my haste to quickly come up with an answer.
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Everything I am reading/understanding of the horn sounding is a courtesy, not required, for notifying of subs at the table.

Unless there is something I missed of course.
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From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul.

Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?
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That is the only case I have noticed that mentions the sounding of the horn.

I am meaning all times though, not just specific times.

The text you quoted, should say: "The scorer shall not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul." The only time the horn/signal should sound in this situation is in case of a question or error, as long as there is sufficent evidence to do so.
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I was trying to find a NFHS reference to a required procedure of sounding a horn to signal for substitutions. I didn't spend to much time looking, so I might have missed something, but I was surprised that the one and only reference I found was in the NFHS Instructions To Scorers. I could find no other reference in the rulebook or casebook. I was also surprised that it is a negative reference, that is, "should not signal". I would have thought that the NFHS would have a procedure as to when to properly signal for a substitution. I'm sure that I have overlooked something in my haste to quickly come up with an answer.
Did either of you bother to read 3-3-1d?

"If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is
entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer shall use a
sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the
clock is stopped
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Did either of you bother to read 3-3-1d?"If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is
entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the
clock is stopped."
Nevadaref: Thanks. That's the reference that I was looking for.
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