Things I learned at camp

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I have noticed that trend here with several of my partners. It could be the level I'm working right now also.

Most likely it is, I've noticed the higher level (even HS) guys are more apt to call this correctly. Around here, I get the opportunity to work with seasoned varsity officials and 2nd year officials just getting to the JV level. But I've also seen the seasoned officials make this call. While I defer to their judgment and am very slow to question them (and careful about how I do it), I have seen a few calls that I disagreed with on this issue.

And Rich, I think, works varsity almost exclusively.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Most likely it is, I've noticed the higher level (even HS) guys are more apt to call this correctly. Around here, I get the opportunity to work with seasoned varsity officials and 2nd year officials just getting to the JV level. But I've also seen the seasoned officials make this call. While I defer to their judgment and am very slow to question them (and careful about how I do it), I have seen a few calls that I disagreed with on this issue.

And Rich, I think, works varsity almost exclusively.

I do work only varsity and juco, but this is a skill (patient whistle and learning when the ball is gathered in) that should be learned much earlier in one's career. And like Snaq, I see way to many 20-to-30 years guys erroneously wiping off a shot when at the minimum it should be a shooting foul (and a basket if the ball goes in).

It's one of my real pet peeves.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by richmsn

i do work only varsity and juco, but this is a skill (patient whistle and learning when the ball is gathered in) that should be learned much earlier in one's career. And like snaq, i see way to many 20-to-30 years guys erroneously wiping off a shot when at the minimum it should be a shooting foul (and a basket if the ball goes in).

It's one of my real pet peeves.

+111111111!!!!!!!

[bainsey]

I also fully agree with the patient whistle, and I try to implement it myself, but what is it about basketball where some people expect a quicker whistle than other sports?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I also fully agree with the patient whistle, and I try to implement it myself, but what is it about basketball where some people expect a quicker whistle than other sports?

"Late whistle" complaints? I've found that "late whistle" is code for, "I know it was the right call, but I have to whine about something." I also haven't heard one in a long time, to be honest.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Late whistle" complaints? I've found that "late whistle" is code for, "I know it was the right call, but I have to whine about something." I also haven't heard one in a long time, to be honest.

There is a huge difference between a patient whistle and a late whistle. If you have a patient whistle on every play and see the play from start to FINISH and then decide if it even needs a whistle then every play will be the same. You won't jump calls or have "late" whistles.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

There is a huge difference between a patient whistle and a late whistle. If you have a patient whistle on every play and see the play from start to FINISH and then decide if it even needs a whistle then every play will be the same. You won't jump calls or have "late" whistles.

If you're talking about the expectations of coaches, you're right, in general. You're still, however, going to get the occasional complaint on a legitimately patient whistle.

And, every now and then, you're going to have an actual late whistle.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Late whistle" complaints? .... I also haven't heard one in a long time, to be honest.

Yeah, they're not exactly frequent. I had one complaint this year that a call was "ten minutes late." I'm not too big on hyperbole when I'm trying to be accurate.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I also fully agree with the patient whistle, and I try to implement it myself, but what is it about basketball where some people expect a quicker whistle than other sports?

Some situations should have a quick whistle; other situations might need a half-count longer for assessment. There's no problem at all with a quick whistle on violations and obvious fouls. The patient whistle is usually used to determine advantage/disadvantage on contact.

You can't make up hard and fast rules on when to blow your whistle. The situation determines that, and every situation is different.

In my opinion, there's a lot of confusion as to what a patient whistle actually is.