Delay of Game

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

NFHS R4-S47-A2 states:
“A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach for huddle by either team and contact with the free thrower, as in R10-S1-A5d.”


NFHS R10-S1-A5d states:
“A team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.”


The OP stated that the huddle was at Team B’s bench. That means that R4-S47-A2 and NFHS R10-S1-A5d are not the rules that apply to this situation nor are they the rules that apply to NFHS Casebook Play 10.1.5 Situation C(b).


R4-S47-A2 was adopted (as well as R10-S1-A5d) in response to the actions described in R10-S1-A5d.


MTD, Sr.


P.S. I had a very long courier run last night and did not get home until 09:30amEDT. MTD, Jr., and I have a baseball game to umpire at 06:30pmEDT tonight, and I have a courier run to make at midnight. It is almost 11:25amEDT, and way past my bedtime. I do not anticipate resonding to this thread until at least Sunday night because of my courier, basketball officiating, and baseball/softball umpiring schedules for the remainder of the week. Everybody have a wonderful first week of Summer.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS R10-S1-A5d states:
“A team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.”

Whatinthehell does R10-1-5(d) have to do with anything? It's completely freaking irrelevant. The relevant rule used for the case play is R10-1-5(b)--"delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play". And any case book plays labelled from A-X just refer back to the section and article ONLY, as in Rule 10-Section 1, Article 5. They do NOT relate in any way to the different parts of Article 5.

You should know something like that; it's pretty basic. But unfortunately you obviously don't know, so you're still trying to come up with some stoopid and illogical alternatives to avoid admitting that you didn't know the correct rule in the first place.

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, when the whole world tells you that you're wrong, there might just be a possibility that you actually are wrong?

Sad!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not anticipate resonding to this thread until at least Sunday night

That's good news.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's good news.

Snark alert!

[IUgrad92]

I think this is a prime example of "over-reading" the rule book / "over-analyzing" the play situation. I can't think of too many play situation rulings that cannot be explained with a handful of sentences, especially when you can find a case play that's almost verbatim.

What I want to know is, who has taken the real MTD and what have they done with him? Please bring him back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not anticipate resonding to this thread until at least Sunday night.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's good news.

Close the thread Sunday afternoon?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

NFHS R4-S47-A2 states:
“A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach for huddle by either team and contact with the free thrower, as in R10-S1-A5d.”


NFHS R10-S1-A5d states:
“A team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.”


The OP stated that the huddle was at Team B’s bench. That means that R4-S47-A2 and NFHS R10-S1-A5d are not the rules that apply to this situation nor are they the rules that apply to NFHS Casebook Play 10.1.5 Situation C(b).


R4-S47-A2 was adopted (as well as R10-S1-A5d) in response to the actions described in R10-S1-A5d.


MTD, Sr.

All of that is 100% correct. The proper rules citation for this situation is 10-1-5b, not 10-1-5d. That is why it is correct to verbally instruct the players to occupy the lane-spaces and then follow with a technical foul if they fail to do as directed. It is not correct to assess an administrative warning for delay against the team in this instance. Nor is it correct to charge an individual with a technical foul. This is clearly covered as a team technical foul by 10-1-5b and the accompanying Casebook reference.

Unfortunately, some fool with the NFHS put 4-47 as the reference to the Casebook play. That should not have been done.