Unsporting Tech

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

My question is, if you were the non calling official and were in position to see the player give your partner the finger behind his back, what would you call?

This is a flagrant technical foul at any level, except perhaps the NBE. Ask yourself this - what does that gesture indicate? It doesn't matter if the player verbalizes that thought or transmits it in a gesture, it means the same thing.

Frankly, it shouldn't just be an ejection, but also a suspension at that level. If it happened in a kids game I was working and the player didn't also get a suspension, I'd raise a huge stink.

I can't even imagine how you could think it might just be a non-flagrant technical.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

This is a flagrant technical foul at any level, except perhaps the NBE. Ask yourself this - what does that gesture indicate? It doesn't matter if the player verbalizes that thought or transmits it in a gesture, it means the same thing.

Frankly, it shouldn't just be an ejection, but also a suspension at that level. If it happened in a kids game I was working and the player didn't also get a suspension, I'd raise a huge stink.

I can't even imagine how you could think it might just be a non-flagrant technical.

Do you see it as different than verbalizing it? I would have gone with non-flagrant.
10-3-6 b. covers obscene gestures.
4-19-4 defines Flagrant "...noncontact which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive contact conduct."

Fixed it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Do you see it as different than verbalizing it? I would have gone with non-flagrant.
10-3-6 b. covers obscene gestures.
4-19-4 defines Flagrant "...noncontact which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive contact."

You made a mistake when you copied 4-19-4. It doesn't say "vulgar or abusive contact" - it says "vulgar or abusive conduct". Flipping off an official is definitely vulgar conduct.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Do you see it as different than verbalizing it? I would have gone with non-flagrant.
10-3-6 b. covers obscene gestures.
4-19-4 defines Flagrant "...noncontact which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive contact."

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

You made a mistake when you copied 4-19-4. It doesn't say "vulgar or abusive contact" - it says "vulgar or abusive conduct". Flipping off an official is definitely vulgar conduct.

I'm with Padgett on this one, easy flagrant. I'd say "especially in summer ball," but it's such a no-brainer for me even in regular season HS ball, it really doesn't make sense to add "especially in...."

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, and this is just a thought, but directing your warning to the partners and the rest of the gym really comes across as demeaning and dismissive. IMO, it's better to warn the coach and inform your parters than it is to phrase your warning as a statement to your partners.

Wrong thread?

[Welpe]

"Snaqs is done cross-posting tonight."

[Adam]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

[dsqrddgd909]

Thanks Mark, Snaq and Nevada,

I have fixed my post. Anyone know how to do line through editing?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Thanks Mark and Snaq,

I have fixed my post. Anyone know how to do line through editing?

Like that?

Type strike in <....> before the text and /strike in <...> following it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Like that?

Type strike in <....> before the text and /strike in <...> following it.

Sort of like this...

<strike>words to strike out</strike>

[dsqrddgd909]

Thanks everyone.