What is that league teaching its officials?

[Nevadaref]

Watch the third clip from the top and explain to me how this is a blocking foul, even by NBE standards.

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"To get into a legal position, the defender needs to establish himself in the path of the offensive player before contact is made and before he starts his upward shooting motion"

Sure looks like he meet those two requirements to me, yet the official position of the league office is that this is a blocking foul.

[Nevadaref]

In an attempt to discern what the heck the league is trying to get from its officials, I went and viewed all of the video clips under blocking/charging.

What I discovered is that the charging foul clips are so blatant that Stevie Wonder could call them, while some of those labeled as blocking fouls are debatable. I even believe that one of them is outright incorrect and that is the one I mentioned in the first post in this thread.

Therefore, my conclusion is that the league is telling it's officials that if the play isn't so clearly a charge that it is laughable, then a block is the desired call. That seems to fit nicely with what I've always thought about the NBE--FAVOR THE OFFENSE!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That seems to fit nicely with what I've always thought about the NBE--FAVOR THE OFFENSE!

In other news, the sky is blue.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In other news, the sky is blue.

The sky is just kidding?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The sky is just kidding?

What do you mean by "sky"? I know that usually after midnight the sky is black. When the clouds come over it is usually an off white or grey.... Heck I'm just glad you are getting in the BLUE FONT spirit. Who said old dogs can't learn new tricks

I watched the video before I read any of the commentary about the play. I would have gone with a block as well. It appeared to me, especially from the endline angle, that the defender leaned into the ball handler. On the non official terminology scale, the defender didn't "take it in the chest" which some consider the #1 determinate of a block/charge. It further could be argued, that the defender was out side his vertical plane when you see the way he leans sideways.
As to the explaination, the fact that the NBA would favor the offense is a no brainer. Too bad it really doesn't work!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Judtech

What do you mean by "sky"? I know that usually after midnight the sky is black. When the clouds come over it is usually an off white or grey.

YouTube - George Carlin 'The Hippy Dippy Weatherman'

(Note: R rated. Make sure the kiddies, or your Mom, are in another room.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

[COLOR="blue"]On the non official terminology scale, the defender didn't "take it in the chest" which some consider the #1 determinate of a block/charge.

Fixed it for you. What, you weren't joking?

[grunewar]

Thanks for posting the link Nevada. As someone who hasn't reached the level of breaking down tape, there's certainly some very interesting and entertaining film here worthy of review and discussion (traveling, jump stops, etc.) at all levels.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Thanks for posting the link Nevada. As someone who hasn't reached the level of breaking down tape, there's certainly some very interesting and entertaining film here worthy of review and discussion (traveling, jump stops, etc.) at all levels.

It is a good resource for some video clips of plays, but an NFHS or NCAA official can't go by the conclusion that the NBA level assigns to them. One has to remember to evaluate the plays using NFHS or NCAA rules and come to a proper conclusion. As we've pointed out numerous times the criteria for judging plays is different at the various levels.

I certainly think that there is benefit to be gained from watching those videos, if done with the proper mindset.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I certainly think that there is benefit to be gained from watching those videos, if done with the proper mindset.

Agreed. I think it would be excellent training for my Association (or any one for that matter) to eliminate the NBE verbiage to the right of the film and just watch the plays develop and discuss them using their level (NFHS, FIBA, NCAA) rules.

[Camron Rust]

Really Nevada? I just don't see that the defender was ever in the path of the offensive player in this one. He was still moving trying to get into the path but didn't quite get there before the contact. It wasn't like he was in the path and moving to maintain position.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Really Nevada? I just don't see that the defender was ever in the path of the offensive player in this one. He was still moving trying to get into the path but didn't quite get there before the contact. It wasn't like he was in the path and moving to maintain position.

I agree with this. Especially after seeing the replay from the baseline camera, I had no problem with the blocking call. I didn't think the defender "beat him" to the spot.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Really Nevada? I just don't see that the defender was ever in the path of the offensive player in this one. He was still moving trying to get into the path but didn't quite get there before the contact. It wasn't like he was in the path and moving to maintain position.

Agreed. The defender was still moving into the dribbler when contact was made, as the dribbler had changed direction to move around him.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've got a charge on this. The defender gets both feet on the floor in the path of the offensive player. Sure, he leaned a little. But he certainly did not create the contact, the offensive player barreled right through him.

That's fine. I'm sure it's not the first one you've ever missed.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Watch the third clip from the top and explain to me how this is a blocking foul, even by NBE standards.

Video Rule Book - Home


"To get into a legal position, the defender needs to establish himself in the path of the offensive player before contact is made and before he starts his upward shooting motion"

Sure looks like he meet those two requirements to me, yet the official position of the league office is that this is a blocking foul.

This is definitely a block. He attempts to get in the path but fails to due to the off. player changing his path.

Every level has different criteria and within the NBA criteria this is a block!

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is definitely a block. He attempts to get in the path but fails to due to the off. player changing his path.

Every level has different criteria and within the NBA criteria this is a block!

IMO this is a block in EVERY level of basketball. Whatever criteria you want to use or no matter how you want to term it, the defender is not legal. He did not get to the spot and is leaning into the offensive players path to create the contact.

And I dont post here too often but I lurk from time to time. I don't get the constant bashing of the NBA and its officials. Yes, officiating in the NBA is DIFFERENT than men's college, or women's, or high school. But different doesn't necessarily make it better or worse. Officiating is somewhat different at all levels.

The constant bashing of the NBA and its officials, referring to it as the NBE, is really old and kinda pathetic for people who are basketball officials. IMO, you are no better than the idiots in the crowd at a high school or AAU game yelling at the officials when they really don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. We all know that officiating is a thankless job and we all know how difficult it can be. Imagine calling games with the size and athleticism of NBA players. It's easy to sit on the sideline or your couch and criticize.

I would expect more from people who actually call games and call themselves basketball officials.