What is that league teaching its officials?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

This is definitely a block. He attempts to get in the path but fails to due to the off. player changing his path.

Every level has different criteria and within the NBA criteria this is a block!

IMO this is a block in EVERY level of basketball. Whatever criteria you want to use or no matter how you want to term it, the defender is not legal. He did not get to the spot and is leaning into the offensive players path to create the contact.

And I dont post here too often but I lurk from time to time. I don't get the constant bashing of the NBA and its officials. Yes, officiating in the NBA is DIFFERENT than men's college, or women's, or high school. But different doesn't necessarily make it better or worse. Officiating is somewhat different at all levels.

The constant bashing of the NBA and its officials, referring to it as the NBE, is really old and kinda pathetic for people who are basketball officials. IMO, you are no better than the idiots in the crowd at a high school or AAU game yelling at the officials when they really don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. We all know that officiating is a thankless job and we all know how difficult it can be. Imagine calling games with the size and athleticism of NBA players. It's easy to sit on the sideline or your couch and criticize.

I would expect more from people who actually call games and call themselves basketball officials.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I would expect more from people who actually call games and call themselves basketball officials.

Even though I disagree with your opinion, I respect your right to have that opinion. And that's true even though you obviously don't have the same respect for anybody else to be able to form their own opinion also. It's not up to you...or me...to tell anybody what they can or can't post on this forum.

Think about it.....

[Adam]

I have to agree with those who say block on this. Defender looks like he might be bracing for contact, but he creates contact by dropping his shoulder out of his vertical space IMO.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Even though I disagree with your opinion, I respect your right to have that opinion. And that's true even though you obviously don't have the same respect for anybody else to be able to form their own opinion also. It's not up to you...or me...to tell anybody what they can or can't post on this forum.

Think about it.....

Ummm... where do I indicate that I have a lack of respect for others to voice their opinions or that they "can or can't" post anything?

In my post I twice stated "IMO" and said that I would expect more from fellow officials. Nowhere did I say what people can or cant post.

[Kelvin green]

If we are taking votes...

I vote for block.

Looking at the angle from the baseline I would have called it a block. This would be a block for me in a NFHS game or a game using NBA rules.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

..... NBA rules.

I think the term "NBA rules" is an oxymoron, like "congressional ethics".

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Ummm... where do I indicate that I have a lack of respect for others to voice their opinions or that they "can or can't" post anything?

In my post I twice stated "IMO" and said that I would expect more from fellow officials. Nowhere did I say what people can or cant post.

And if you'd take a second to actually try and comprehend whatinthehell you're reading, you might also discover that we're not really blaming the officials. As Nevada posted originally in this thread, the problem lies with the direction that the NBE officials are being given. It's a league problem. The usage of NBE to show National Basketball Entertainment is an indictment of the league, not it's officials per se. NBE officials are the most over-regimented and over-supervised of any officials' group in the world imo. And whomever(whoever?) is directing/supervising 'em is doing one piss-poor job.

Someone is telling the NBE officials that it's OK for BronBron to take 4 steps on a breakaway dunk or Shaq to have a hall-of-fame career by running over people in the paint.

Again, for the umpteenth time..if you check old posts...the problem with current NBE officiating is the clowns who are formulating it's current policies and directing/supervising it's officiating staff to ignore it's own rule book. Imo if they'd just let their people officiate the damn games, there'd be a helluva lot less complaining from everybody.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if you'd take a second to actually try and comprehend whatinthehell you're reading, you might also discover that we're not really blaming the officials. As Nevada posted originally in this thread, the problem lies with the direction that the NBE officials are being given. It's a league problem. The usage of NBE to show National Basketball Entertainment is an indictment of the league, not it's officials per se. NBE officials are the most over-regimented and over-supervised of any officials' group in the world imo. And whomever(whoever?) is directing/supervising 'em is doing one piss-poor job.

Someone is telling the NBE officials that it's OK for BronBron to take 4 steps on a breakaway dunk or Shaq to have a hall-of-fame career by running over people in the paint.

Again, for the umpteenth time..if you check old posts...the problem with current NBE officiating is the clowns who are formulating it's current policies and directing/supervising it's officiating staff to ignore it's own rule book. Imo if they'd just let their people officiate the damn games, there'd be a helluva lot less complaining from everybody.

Comprehend what Ive read? I stated (if YOU would comprehend what you read) that I dont post here too much but do lurk from time to time. So sorry, I havent read every word of every thread of NBA critiques.

Based on what I've seen here I think the criticism of NBA officiating (be it the officials themselves or the direction they are receiving) is overstated. And calling it NBE is childish, IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I'll agree to disagree and leave it that. Have a great one.

[Back In The Saddle]

I've got a charge on this. The defender gets both feet on the floor in the path of the offensive player. Sure, he leaned a little. But he certainly did not create the contact, the offensive player barreled right through him.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've got a charge on this. The defender gets both feet on the floor in the path of the offensive player. Sure, he leaned a little. But he certainly did not create the contact, the offensive player barreled right through him.

That's the same way that I see this play, but I guess that we have the minority opinion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've got a charge on this. The defender gets both feet on the floor in the path of the offensive player. Sure, he leaned a little. But he certainly did not create the contact, the offensive player barreled right through him.

No matter how you cut it, there was never more than 50% overlap of the torsos and the defender leaned to get as much as he did. Until just before the contact, you could see the offensive players numbers clearly and unobstructed. And with the offensive player's path carrying him to the inside relative to the camera angle, the actual amount of overlap was even less than it may have appeared from that camera angle. A player still moving in at the time of contact and getting, at best, 50% overlap is not in the path.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've got a charge on this. The defender gets both feet on the floor in the path of the offensive player. Sure, he leaned a little. But he certainly did not create the contact, the offensive player barreled right through him.

I don't think you can have all of this and still not take the contact squarely in the chest. If the defender can make a play like this and have it called a charge, where would the line be drawn to make it a block? I think it would start to change from official to official, which brings me to my next point.

NBA officials might be highly "over-regimented", but they are way more consistent than high school or college officials. I think a high level of consistency is the goal - what makes up that consistency will forever be debated.

As a former Shaq fan (when he wore purple and gold) I would welcome all the calls against him when he allegedly runs someone over. However, then you would have to call all the fouls when someone is hanging off him. If this happened, he would shoot 20 free throws a game until an adjustment was made or he fouled out for running over people (whichever comes first). I think the end result would be 15 dunks per game for him; he can move his feet a little or at least he could in his younger days.

I'm in the camp that thinks it is hypocritical to say someone is dumping on college/high school officials then criticize NBA officials. I would hope the same people would be against politics in the work place, favoritism in associations, etc. since it is similar.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Comprehend what Ive read? I stated (if YOU would comprehend what you read) that I dont post here too much but do lurk from time to time. So sorry, I havent read every word of every thread of NBA critiques.

Based on what I've seen here I think the criticism of NBA officiating (be it the officials themselves or the direction they are receiving) is overstated. And calling it NBE is childish, IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I'll agree to disagree and leave it that. Have a great one.

Well, your opinion on this is misinformed. There is no general bashing of NBA officials in this forum. Sometimes an official will get criticized for a call, just like an NCAA or NFHS official will in these threads. You came into this thread talking about "NBA official bashing" yet there isn't a single post in this thread in which someone criticizes an NBA official.

As for the play in question, I have a block mainly because B2 slams his shoulder into A1's face. And this happens because B2 turns his body into A1 to initiate the contact.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, your opinion on this is misinformed. There is no general bashing of NBA officials in this forum. Sometimes an official will get criticized for a call, just like an NCAA or NFHS official will in these threads. You came into this thread talking about "NBA official bashing" yet there isn't a single post in this thread in which someone criticizes an NBA official.

As for the play in question, I have a block mainly because B2 slams his shoulder into A1's face. And this happens because B2 turns his body into A1 to initiate the contact.

Fair enough.

As I said, I'm not on this forum too much. Perhaps my initial post was an overreaction. This past weekend I worked some AAU games with a friend of mine who is in the D-league and worked NBA games during the lockout in the pre-season. We discussed NBA officiating at length and when I came on here I saw this thread and remembered several others where there seems to be a lot of criticism of NBA officiating (overall not necessarily of individual officials). And I saw the constant references to NBE which IMO is very derisive.

So I said my piece. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I don't come on here to be antagonistic though I see how my initial post could be taken that way. This is good forum and though I'm not a regular here I do check in from time to time and find this place to be pretty informative. I still disagree with the way many people on here seem to characterize the NBA game and officiating but it is what it is and I'll move on.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Even though I disagree with your opinion, I respect your right to have that opinion. And that's true even though you obviously don't have the same respect for anybody else to be able to form their own opinion also. It's not up to you...or me...to tell anybody what they can or can't post on this forum.

Think about it.....

Mr Kettle, I'd like to introduce you to Mr Pot. Mr Pot, this is Mr Kettle.