Three things to watch in a single play

[Indianaref]

Three things to watch in a single play on Yahoo! Video

1, is it a travel? 2, block/charge/flop? 3, is the initial rebound clean?

[Judtech]

If that was Bishop Dwenger, then it was a travel, charge, and flagrant push on the rebound!! (And I am fairly certain the coach was WWAAAYYY out of his box!)

[Adam]

The video is too grainy to tell for sure, but the travel is close. It looks like he picks up his pivot before he releases the ball for the dribble, but it's hard to tell.
The defender looks like he was falling before contact was even made, I'm probably letting that one go.
The rebounder goes over the top, but I can't see any displacement of the player in front of him. From this angle, it looks clean to me.

[Gargil]

1. Travel
2. Flop
3. Rebound bad angle to see contact, if any

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Gargil

1. Travel
2. Flop
3. Rebound bad angle to see contact, if any

My thoughts too.

[MathReferee]

1. Travel. I have to admit though that I was more focused at looking at the travel at the end of the drive. The initial dribble looks like a travel as his pivot foot is lifted prior to the dribble, but as he ends, it appears that he jumps off his left foot, then obviously lands right, left. Though it is difficult to tell if he is already airborne when he ends his dribble.
2. No call here.
3. Does not look like much contact from this camera angle. "C" had the opportunity at the best look at it.

More importantly, what does everyone think of the officials positioning in relation to the play? This is my number one priority this summer, so something I want to learn more about from the experts in these situations. It appears to me as if T could close down on the rebounding action, and C could do the same (maybe getting a better look at the rebound??).

[tref]

T & C closing down on all shots is a good thing. Position adjustments usually just require a step or two... stay connected

[DLH17]

1. travel - pivot foot lifts before ball released
2. flop
3. could not see a push from the trail official's angle

[rockyroad]

1. Travel
2.Flop
3.Big guy gets rebound over little guy - nothing there
4. T and C both need to move more to get better angles

[Raymond]

May have had a travel call, but definitely no whistle for anything else that happened on that play.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am getting in on the fun late, but here is my take.

1) Travel by W44: A previous poster said that it was too close call a travel and he is on the correct school of thought in not calling a travel. In fact, I do not even think it is close to traveling.

2) Charge by W44: My labeling of this section should give everybody an idea of my feelings about this play. (a) The Black defender (I will call him B1 because I cannot read his number) had obtained/NFHS a LGP. (b) Yes, the camera is not the best, but my concern is that the T started to close down when W44 started his drive and then stopped when he could have and should have closed down two more steps, that would have given him a good angle to see if W44 made illegal contact with B1 or if B1 flopped. (c) Based upon my vast experience and number of years of experience: I have a CHARGE! on W44.

3) The rebounding play I do not care about because I have always stopped play because of the charging fould by W44, .

MTD, Sr.


P.S.: That means there is a missing choice on Snaqs poll, .

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Charge by W44: The Black defender had obtained a LGP.

I can't question your assertion that the Black defender had legal guarding position, it's just that I'm not 100% sure why he fell down: charged into, tripped over his own feet as he was backpedaling, or flopped?

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not even think it is close to traveling.

Check out the two steps after the jump stop. It's a tough call, whether in a real time situation, or even on the video, it can certainly be called either way, but, at the least, it's "close" to a travel.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I can't question your assertion that the Black defender had legal guarding position, it's just that I'm not 100% sure why he fell down: charged into, tripped over his own feet as he was backpedaling, or flopped?



Check out the two steps after the jump stop. It's a tough call, whether in a real time situation, or even on the video, it can certainly be called either way, but, at the least, it's "close" to a travel.

Billy:

I watched the tape at least five time with regards to the possiblity of traveling and I think that from what I could see on the tape I think that before I would call traveling I would have to have been the T and seen it it in real time and not on a TV screen.

I agree with you that the video is not a very good way to determine whether B1 flopped or not, but you know my philosophy of when in doubt, CHARGE IT! because it is the American Way for everybody to be in debt, oh wait, that is my political stump speech, .

My concern about the charge call is that the T started to close down when W44 started to drive and then stopped instead of staying with the play. Had the T continued to close down one or two more steps, he would have continued to have a very good angle to see if there was illegal contact by W44 of if B1 flopped.

MTD, Sr.

[Tio]

I think the travel is close, so I give the benefit of the doubt to the crew.

If you watch the offensive player on the collision, he did not go through the defender (in fact he is able to stop on a dime and gather for a shot attempt). So the play was a Correct No-Call by the crew.