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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 03:37pm
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Three things to watch in a single play

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1, is it a travel? 2, block/charge/flop? 3, is the initial rebound clean?
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 03:45pm
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If that was Bishop Dwenger, then it was a travel, charge, and flagrant push on the rebound!! (And I am fairly certain the coach was WWAAAYYY out of his box!)
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 03:48pm
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The video is too grainy to tell for sure, but the travel is close. It looks like he picks up his pivot before he releases the ball for the dribble, but it's hard to tell.
The defender looks like he was falling before contact was even made, I'm probably letting that one go.
The rebounder goes over the top, but I can't see any displacement of the player in front of him. From this angle, it looks clean to me.
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 03:48pm
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1. Travel
2. Flop
3. Rebound bad angle to see contact, if any
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 03:56pm
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1. Travel
2. Flop
3. Rebound bad angle to see contact, if any
My thoughts too.
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 04:00pm
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1. Travel
2.Flop
3.Big guy gets rebound over little guy - nothing there
4. T and C both need to move more to get better angles
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 04:18pm
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1. Travel. I have to admit though that I was more focused at looking at the travel at the end of the drive. The initial dribble looks like a travel as his pivot foot is lifted prior to the dribble, but as he ends, it appears that he jumps off his left foot, then obviously lands right, left. Though it is difficult to tell if he is already airborne when he ends his dribble.
2. No call here.
3. Does not look like much contact from this camera angle. "C" had the opportunity at the best look at it.

More importantly, what does everyone think of the officials positioning in relation to the play? This is my number one priority this summer, so something I want to learn more about from the experts in these situations. It appears to me as if T could close down on the rebounding action, and C could do the same (maybe getting a better look at the rebound??).
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 04:21pm
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T & C closing down on all shots is a good thing. Position adjustments usually just require a step or two... stay connected
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Old Thu May 20, 2010, 05:17pm
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1. travel - pivot foot lifts before ball released
2. flop
3. could not see a push from the trail official's angle
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 07:20am
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1 - Appears to be a travel despite his hand being on top of the ball and him pushing down before the back foot lifts, it doesn't appear to leave his hand until well after the back foot is moving. *Tweet* Travel

2 - I've got nothing here. There is some contact no one is more responsible for it, and from the camera angle smells like bail out. PLay on fellas.

3 - This one burns me a little bit. I know coach of the defensive team wants the call. His kid is boxing out, the contact is minimal by the offense but its all the defender can do. I'm not a fan of the bigger stronger more athletic player getting to create contact , end up with the ball, and the helpless (hapless) defender is unable to do anything about it except try to do the right thing without being rewarded. All that aside by rule that appears to be a clean board. Play on fellas.

"I know coach I know, sometimes your just up against it. The contact is not what's gaining the advantage . . . Your kids are working hard but to be fair David didn't try to box out Goliath . . . yes it would be a flagrant, but you didn't see Goliath getting any boards in the 2nd half did you!!!"
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 07:32am
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I agree that there is probably nothing, from this limited angle, on the potential PC or rebounding action.

To those who are saying travel, do you mean at the beginning of the drive or at the end?

At the beginning, I still can't tell if whether he releases the ball or lifts his pivot first.

At the end, it appears to me (although, again not clear), that he ends his dribble with neither foot on the floor.
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 08:35am
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To those who are saying travel, do you mean at the beginning of the drive or at the end?....

At the beginning, I still can't tell if whether he releases the ball or lifts his pivot first.
The pivot foot comes up first. It's not easy to catch at normal speed, but every game we work is at normal speed.
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 08:37am
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every game we work is at normal speed.
Except middle school girls . . .
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Old Fri May 21, 2010, 09:41am
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no travel
no block/charge - from this angle it looked like a flop.
rebound was fine - hard to see if contact occured that gained an advantage.
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no travel
Given that you're the only one who says this. What did you see?
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